Zedlepplin 0 #1 December 13, 2006 I have done one Tandem dive and I am ready to do my first AFF. I purchased 4 minutes of Tunnel time at Perris. I was wondering if I should use my Tunnel time before my first AFF dive or after my dive? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RB_Hammer 0 #2 December 13, 2006 I hope you get some replies from the experienced people here, but I did 15 minutes of tunnel time between AFF 1 and AFF 2. On my AFF 1 dive, I got the "legs out" signal about 7 or 8 times and on AFF 2 I got it once. I did some turns on AFF 2 as well as forward movement. I have absolutely no doubt that the tunnel time REALLY helped me, especially with the leg position. I do know that the 15 minutes I did was a major work out and it was really getting hard to hold a good position after about 10 minutes. I did learn to do 360's in both directions, move forward and back, up and down and laterally left and right during 15 minutes with my coach. I can't believe the tunnel time won't help before your first jump though."I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late." Mathew Quigley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #3 December 13, 2006 Before level 1. Speaking from the perspective of an AFF instructor who has coached people at all stages of AFF... When you are in freefall, you will have less sensory overload if you have already flown your body. In fact, I believe Eloy almost requires it now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lokhmaty 0 #4 December 14, 2006 QuoteBefore level 1. Agree with that... I made mine first 10 minutes in tunnel a day before my first ever jump (tandem). Than I 've got 20 more minutes in tunnel before AFF program. And AFF1 dive was not that overwhelming at all. In other words, you know what to expect. But too many jumps in short period of time can easily overload you, even with tunnel time, it's from my own experience, been there...However, I think that 4 minutes in tunnel is just about nothing. For some fun maybe enough, but not for getting some flying skills. I, for example, looking forward to get up to one hour of tunnel time after mine AFF completion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #5 December 14, 2006 QuoteHowever, I think that 4 minutes in tunnel is just about nothing. For some fun maybe enough, but not for getting some flying skills. I, for example, looking forward to get up to one hour of tunnel time after mine AFF completion. Yes - more is better - but some cannot afford an hour... If you can afford 1 minute do it. What to work on? Get to the point that your tunnel instructor has let you go and you are not bouncing on the net/glass - and then 90 degree turns with crisp starts and stops... With those skills you will nail AFF. If 4 minutes I doubt you will get to turns, but it will still be the best investment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lokhmaty 0 #6 December 14, 2006 QuoteIf 4 minutes I doubt you will get to turns, but it will still be the best investment. Did I said that 4 minutes will not do anything? I just said it's about nothing, just to get use to. You will just start to feel it and time is out, how sad it is. But of course, I agree with your statement, even 1 minute of real tunnel time worth more than 10 minutes watching it and it will be the best investment at the moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #7 December 14, 2006 QuoteIf 4 minutes I doubt you will get to turns, but it will still be the best investment. From what I've seen the instructors can have them turning and going up and down in 4 minutes. In 10 minutes they can have them doing side slides and forward and back movement. Of course it does depend some on the instructor and the student.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tdog 0 #8 December 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf 4 minutes I doubt you will get to turns, but it will still be the best investment. From what I've seen the instructors can have them turning and going up and down in 4 minutes. In 10 minutes they can have them doing side slides and forward and back movement. Of course it does depend some on the instructor and the student. Turns yes. Crisp intentional turns with crisp intentional stops, and that is more challenging in 4 minutes - and the stops/heading control are one of the things that makes AFF go super easy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #9 December 14, 2006 In 15 minutes, one tandem, and a lvl one AFF the great staff at Orlando had me staying relative, doing turns, forward and backwards, and side slides. I then proceded to take my jumpmaster for a ride on my lvl two jump. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #10 December 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf 4 minutes I doubt you will get to turns, but it will still be the best investment. From what I've seen the instructors can have them turning and going up and down in 4 minutes. In 10 minutes they can have them doing side slides and forward and back movement. Of course it does depend some on the instructor and the student. Turns yes. Crisp intentional turns with crisp intentional stops, and that is more challenging in 4 minutes - and the stops/heading control are one of the things that makes AFF go super easy... Crisp turns and stops are something that can take a long time to master and I know many people who don't even both since they aren't into 4-way. Intentional turns and stops on the other hand do not take that long, heading control and stability as well do not take that long. The key to the tunnel before AFF is learning the basics getting comfortable in a body possition that is different than anything they have done before. Learning to control yourself and to be able to fix a problem if it happens. Also from what I've seen of first time fliers in the tunnel, they don't work on crisp turns, they work on getting their basic belly skills, then move on to basic back skills, learning what to do when they get on their backs.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lokhmaty 0 #11 December 14, 2006 I've never been flying in enclosed WT, so you might be right, the walls around you makes you more comfortable and 4 minutes may be just enough to catch it. I was in open L1 tunnel in NC, and it is much more difficult, I guess, than closed ones. Much more control must be involved. So it's different. But as I already said - it won't hurt, it WILL HELP! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tdog 0 #12 December 15, 2006 QuoteCrisp turns and stops are something that can take a long time to master and I know many people who don't even both since they aren't into 4-way. By Crisp I meant where you could see a clear intentional start and stop. These skills help in AFF as the ability to stop an intentional turn will allow the skydiver to stop an unintentional turn. Often the first few minutes in the tunnel have intentional turns, but they are "mushy" and "Drift" like the steering wheel of a 1976 Ford LTD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skycat 0 #7 December 14, 2006 QuoteIf 4 minutes I doubt you will get to turns, but it will still be the best investment. From what I've seen the instructors can have them turning and going up and down in 4 minutes. In 10 minutes they can have them doing side slides and forward and back movement. Of course it does depend some on the instructor and the student.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #8 December 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf 4 minutes I doubt you will get to turns, but it will still be the best investment. From what I've seen the instructors can have them turning and going up and down in 4 minutes. In 10 minutes they can have them doing side slides and forward and back movement. Of course it does depend some on the instructor and the student. Turns yes. Crisp intentional turns with crisp intentional stops, and that is more challenging in 4 minutes - and the stops/heading control are one of the things that makes AFF go super easy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #9 December 14, 2006 In 15 minutes, one tandem, and a lvl one AFF the great staff at Orlando had me staying relative, doing turns, forward and backwards, and side slides. I then proceded to take my jumpmaster for a ride on my lvl two jump. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #10 December 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf 4 minutes I doubt you will get to turns, but it will still be the best investment. From what I've seen the instructors can have them turning and going up and down in 4 minutes. In 10 minutes they can have them doing side slides and forward and back movement. Of course it does depend some on the instructor and the student. Turns yes. Crisp intentional turns with crisp intentional stops, and that is more challenging in 4 minutes - and the stops/heading control are one of the things that makes AFF go super easy... Crisp turns and stops are something that can take a long time to master and I know many people who don't even both since they aren't into 4-way. Intentional turns and stops on the other hand do not take that long, heading control and stability as well do not take that long. The key to the tunnel before AFF is learning the basics getting comfortable in a body possition that is different than anything they have done before. Learning to control yourself and to be able to fix a problem if it happens. Also from what I've seen of first time fliers in the tunnel, they don't work on crisp turns, they work on getting their basic belly skills, then move on to basic back skills, learning what to do when they get on their backs.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lokhmaty 0 #11 December 14, 2006 I've never been flying in enclosed WT, so you might be right, the walls around you makes you more comfortable and 4 minutes may be just enough to catch it. I was in open L1 tunnel in NC, and it is much more difficult, I guess, than closed ones. Much more control must be involved. So it's different. But as I already said - it won't hurt, it WILL HELP! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #12 December 15, 2006 QuoteCrisp turns and stops are something that can take a long time to master and I know many people who don't even both since they aren't into 4-way. By Crisp I meant where you could see a clear intentional start and stop. These skills help in AFF as the ability to stop an intentional turn will allow the skydiver to stop an unintentional turn. Often the first few minutes in the tunnel have intentional turns, but they are "mushy" and "Drift" like the steering wheel of a 1976 Ford LTD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
