nigel99 528 #1 December 20, 2012 I know there have been threads in the past, but in light of the recent Netherlands incident I thought I'd bring it up again. Some DZ's successfully implement a check in procedure, whereas others claim it is not possible. It seems to me that DZ's have a duty of care, to ensure that jumpers are safely checked in after a jump. As most DZ's operate on weekends it is conceivable that an injury that may have been survivable, could end up as a fatality if the person isn't found in a timely manner.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #2 December 20, 2012 it shouldn't be hard to implement, as all major DZ's claim that they have someone count all canopies opening, checking for cutaways etc.... we have lived a loss at a DZ I used to jump at, one jumper went in, with nothing out, just before lunchtime. Was noticed that he was missing about 4 hours later by his girlfriend (who was absent of the DZ for the day).scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 528 #3 December 20, 2012 Quoteit shouldn't be hard to implement, as all major DZ's claim that they have someone count all canopies opening, checking for cutaways etc.... we have lived a loss at a DZ I used to jump at, one jumper went in, with nothing out, just before lunchtime. Was noticed that he was missing about 4 hours later by his girlfriend (who was absent of the DZ for the day).Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mac 1 #4 December 20, 2012 Quoteit shouldn't be hard to implement, as all major DZ's claim that they have someone count all canopies opening, checking for cutaways etc.... Check-in controls are useful to account for everyone, however if we are looking to add response time to injuries that maybe avoided fatalities, then I feel that check-in procedures alone are not enough. Imagine the scenario, a busy DZ, someone doesnt check in (there isnt a counting canopy control). Tannoy announcements go out, people search, and eventually its determined they are missing. How long would this take? Yes, they would be reporting missing earlier (maybe), but would this help a time sensitive injury? Counting canopies, and watching them until landing I feel is a more beneficial control should there look to be an injury that requires a quick response time. I generally spend a little time on DZ control to get a feeling to how conscientious the DZ controller is in counting canopies, and the process of when people land off. In the most cases here in the UK, the controls are extremely vigilant. I normally take time to visit new DZs on week days (or quiet days) to get a feel for their overall processes (amoungst other reasons). I would feel much happier having people counting canopies and watching landings then whether there was a check-in procdedure. Saying that, I think both together create a belt and braces control. The otherside of the coin, dont be reliant on anyone other than yourself, and take full responsibility for your skills and capabilities and back up plans. Ensure your skills are as good as they can be for when you may have to land off, or for the conditions, be aware of whats occuring around you in the conditions, as breaking a femur or ankle compound in an off landing situation could result in death or loss of limbs if you rely on being noticed. Polish up your skills to minimise the risks, and take a phone with you on jumps. QuoteIt seems to me that DZ's have a duty of care, to ensure that jumpers are safely checked in after a jump You and you alone are responsible, and look out for your friends and fellow jumpers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
INCH2524 0 #5 December 20, 2012 Hi guys and gals, i,m new to the forum but i think this is relevant !
