New tunnel coming to Arizona (Phoenix/Scottsdale)

[Remster 30]

"Jason Peters, Andy Malchiodi, Gary Schmit and Max Reising are proud to announce the arrival of the first Indoor Skydiving Germany (ISG) tunnel to the U.S. FliteShop will be located in Scottsdale Arizona less then an hour from Skydive Arizona. We are beyond excited to have partnered up with ISG to make this dream a reality by summer of 2015!! "


https://www.facebook.com/fliteshop

Remster

[kvnhlstd 0]

5 minutes from the house... and a golf course next door!!!! a dream come true.

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

[piisfish 140]

congrats to all involved, enjoy the clean ISG air

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[chuckakers 426]

Remster

"Jason Peters, Andy Malchiodi, Gary Schmit and Max Reising are proud to announce the arrival of the first Indoor Skydiving Germany (ISG) tunnel to the U.S. FliteShop will be located in Scottsdale Arizona less then an hour from Skydive Arizona. We are beyond excited to have partnered up with ISG to make this dream a reality by summer of 2015!! "


https://www.facebook.com/fliteshop

No more iFly monopoly. Could this be the beginning reduced prices?

Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX

[Remster 30]

chuckakers

***"Jason Peters, Andy Malchiodi, Gary Schmit and Max Reising are proud to announce the arrival of the first Indoor Skydiving Germany (ISG) tunnel to the U.S. FliteShop will be located in Scottsdale Arizona less then an hour from Skydive Arizona. We are beyond excited to have partnered up with ISG to make this dream a reality by summer of 2015!! "


https://www.facebook.com/fliteshop

No more iFly monopoly. Could this be the beginning reduced prices?

Well, we have it pretty good already at Eloy... But I won't complain if prices go down! http://www.jumpticketprices.com/tunnels.asp?currency=USD

Remster

[piisfish 140]

chuckakers

No more iFly monopoly. Could this be the beginning reduced prices?

Pigeon Forge and Vegas are not iFly/Skyventure AFAIK
The most important is that Arizonians will discover the "no sandblast tunnel"

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[chuckakers 426]

piisfish

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No more iFly monopoly. Could this be the beginning reduced prices?

Pigeon Forge and Vegas are not iFly/Skyventure AFAIK
The most important is that Arizonians will discover the "no sandblast tunnel"

Pigeon Forge and Vegas aren't competition. I'm talking about hourly rates for team-worthy tunnels. A new player in the business might drive rates down as they try to capture market share.

Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX

[Remster 30]

chuckakers

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No more iFly monopoly. Could this be the beginning reduced prices?

Pigeon Forge and Vegas are not iFly/Skyventure AFAIK
The most important is that Arizonians will discover the "no sandblast tunnel"

Pigeon Forge and Vegas aren't competition. I'm talking about hourly rates for team-worthy tunnels. A new player in the business might drive rates down as they try to capture market share.

Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen in the local market here. I bet the new tunnel will be pricing significantly higher that SkyventureAZ. The clean (airflow, not sand ) recirc air will be a big advantage.

But, we'll see!

Remster

[piisfish 140]

chuckakers

Pigeon Forge and Vegas aren't competition. I'm talking about hourly rates for team-worthy tunnels. A new player in the business might drive rates down as they try to capture market share.

honestly I don't think so. SVAZ is not very expensive, I doubt they will bring their prices down. And I doubt that the newcomer will have a lower price with more modern technology and better comfort (but no adjascent DZ)

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[chuckakers 426]

Remster

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No more iFly monopoly. Could this be the beginning reduced prices?

Pigeon Forge and Vegas are not iFly/Skyventure AFAIK
The most important is that Arizonians will discover the "no sandblast tunnel"

Pigeon Forge and Vegas aren't competition. I'm talking about hourly rates for team-worthy tunnels. A new player in the business might drive rates down as they try to capture market share.

Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen in the local market here. I bet the new tunnel will be pricing significantly higher that SkyventureAZ. The clean (airflow, not sand ) recirc air will be a big advantage.

But, we'll see!
I know some teams and camp organizers that travel to tunnel train and they have demonstrated that they will go where they get the best deal. At one point these folks - Texas jumpers - were flying to Denver because the deal they got made it worth the airfare and hotel over a relatively short drive to Austin.

I don't keep up with the tunnel world so I can't say if this is still the case, but if the price difference is big enough it can definitely drive traffic.

Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX

[Remster 30]

Hey, don't get me wrong: I'd love me some cheaper time! lol

I guess we're putting the cart before the horse. Till the start digging holes, welding metal, and not getting sued, there ain't no tunnel there yet!

Remster

[danielcroft 2]

This is really good news, the ISG design is really, really smooth. I've flown VossVind and it's pretty awesome. The VossVind tunnel uses an airlock to allow people in and out without having dead air above the net.

Looking forward to flying here to support an alternative to the iFly tunnels but I'll still fly at iFly tunnels as well. This is great news for the consumer. :-)

[colossus 0]

I feel stupid. I saw some of the comments, and one stood out. "Hope you win the lawsuit." What is the background on this? Does IFly have a North American patent?

[wan2doit 6]

Healthy competition is one thing but I would hope never to see some kind of a price war on tunnel time because I think that could cause cost cutting (maintenance etc.) by operators that could endanger tunnel flyers.
I remember way back when the airline business got very cutthroat with cheap below cost fares and there was a surge of crashes accidents etc.
Healthy competition yes - Cutthroat No.
PS - No I don't know exactly where to draw the line on competition.

[chuckakers 426]

wan2doit

Healthy competition is one thing but I would hope never to see some kind of a price war on tunnel time because I think that could cause cost cutting (maintenance etc.) by operators that could endanger tunnel flyers.
I remember way back when the airline business got very cutthroat with cheap below cost fares and there was a surge of crashes accidents etc.
Healthy competition yes - Cutthroat No.
PS - No I don't know exactly where to draw the line on competition.

Tunnel crashes?

Exactly what could go wrong at a tunnel that would endanger flyers? Honest question.

Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX

[mattjw916 2]

Motor falls on your head?

Probably not a concern with the modern tunnels really.

I'd wager the odds of a mechanical failure injuring someone are miniscule compared to the odds of bashing yourself against the wall, the door, another person, getting run over by a car in the parking lot, crocodiles, a brain aneurysm, etc...

NSCR-2376, SCR-15080

[PhreeZone 20]

I've heard for years that iFly basiclly has claimed North American patent rights for almost anything to do with vertical wind tunnels. I had did some research years ago on the ISG design and its very attractive from a business side but the patent issues were going to be a minefield for the first one to run. I hope they do succeed if it comes to a lawsuit since this is a design that could lead to lower construction costs and more tunnels in the states!

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[Remster 30]

chuckakers

***Healthy competition is one thing but I would hope never to see some kind of a price war on tunnel time because I think that could cause cost cutting (maintenance etc.) by operators that could endanger tunnel flyers.
I remember way back when the airline business got very cutthroat with cheap below cost fares and there was a surge of crashes accidents etc.
Healthy competition yes - Cutthroat No.
PS - No I don't know exactly where to draw the line on competition.

Tunnel crashes?

Exactly what could go wrong at a tunnel that would endanger flyers? Honest question.

Chuck: a motor did fall into the chamber in Orlando a couple years back. No one was hurt but it was a close call I believe.

Similarly, poorly maintained fans on more modern design could vibrate themselves into destruction, sending shards of metal through the recirculating chamber.

Regarding competition and price cutting: look into the European market and what's happening: I don't see any unethical price cutting.

Besides, having one competitor in the market may just be what the market needs in the US.

Remster

[wan2doit 6]

None of us may know exactly what could go wrong and lead to injuries (not crashes) due to rough competition and cost cutting it would cause.. In any case I don't think it would happen anytime soon due to one more supplier of indoor skydiving opportunities. The intent of my remark was just to forward the concept that sometimes what we wish for (cheaper tunnel time) might come with unforeseen unintended consequences.

Then again on the bright side competition could lead to higher pay and better benefits for instructors and employees plus better wind.

[wan2doit 6]

Remster says "Besides, having one competitor in the market may just be what the market needs in the US."

I agree - up to a point. What point - Who knows?

[NPower 0]

danielcroft

This is really good news, the ISG design is really, really smooth. I've flown VossVind and it's pretty awesome. The VossVind tunnel uses an airlock to allow people in and out without having dead air above the net.

Has anyone flown in both a re-circulating iFly/Sky Venture tunnel and an ISG tunnel like VossVind? I'd be curious to hear from folks who've flown in both on how they compare in terms clean air flow and anything else that makes you favour one over the other.

[Andy9o8 2]

chuckakers

***Healthy competition is one thing but I would hope never to see some kind of a price war on tunnel time because I think that could cause cost cutting (maintenance etc.) by operators that could endanger tunnel flyers.
I remember way back when the airline business got very cutthroat with cheap below cost fares and there was a surge of crashes accidents etc.
Healthy competition yes - Cutthroat No.
PS - No I don't know exactly where to draw the line on competition.

Tunnel crashes?

Exactly what could go wrong at a tunnel that would endanger flyers? Honest question.

What's red and green and goes round and round and round and round?

[piisfish 140]

Remster

Chuck: a motor did fall into the chamber in Orlando a couple years back. No one was hurt but it was a close call I believe.


Regarding competition and price cutting: look into the European market and what's happening: I don't see any unethical price cutting

so you didn't hear about the Sirius crash this winter ? It is now fixed, but was pretty scary.

And you're the guy who didn't get the memo for the Slovakian and Czech super discounts ?

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[wan2doit 6]

"What's red and green and goes round and round and round and round?"

Ok I'm ignorant so what is the answer?

[Andy9o8 2]

A frog in a blender.