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Quotei was 4 yrs doing tandems on saipan,most of the time a straight in,or surge approach was impossible,the ground winds would change 90 to 100 degrees constantly,and the turbulence was incredible. we would call it if we got gusts over 15 knots.it became mandatory to do at least a carving turn,and the landing area was relatively small,with no outs. it was a tough gig ,but the lifestyle was great.
I worked for the same outfit as des but in Guam. I didn't believe it until I was in the same situation. We would work in conditions constantly pushing 20 knots. We had one gal insisting on working for the dz doing outside video. She got her one jump. She came straight in & was the wind's bitch. She was dumped on her ass and broke her heal. It was actually scarrier watching a straight in landing than aggressive flying. Not to mention, you really had to have the good accuracy. There were shaggers waiting to help you when you land and you really needed to land next to them. So yes, I've done them! I'm not advocating them but when you're in the same situation.....the light will come one and you'll understand.
With that said...there are way too many TI's that should even be doing tandems, much less hook turning a tandem in.
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exactly,,,,watching tandems in Eloy is frightning,,,![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
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riggerrob 643
There is a subtle difference between old-school "hook and hope" versus gradual toggle carves.
During the 1990s, I saw toggle hook turns fall in and out of fashion in Perris. If I hear one more skydiver brag about being a "Stiletto Pilot" I am going to vomit all over his shoes!
Toggle hook turns are silly - on SET 400s - because the canopy has such a short recovery arc, meaning that you have to stab a toggle so low that there is little margin for error.
On the other hand, gradual toggle carves can built up a significant amount of extra forward speed, but can flatten out much quicker. The primary disadvantage with carving turns is that it confuses the guys behind you. How are they supposed to know which direction to land?
If you don't understand the difference - between craving versus "hook and hope" - you should not try either maneuver.
During the 1990s, I saw toggle hook turns fall in and out of fashion in Perris. If I hear one more skydiver brag about being a "Stiletto Pilot" I am going to vomit all over his shoes!
Toggle hook turns are silly - on SET 400s - because the canopy has such a short recovery arc, meaning that you have to stab a toggle so low that there is little margin for error.
On the other hand, gradual toggle carves can built up a significant amount of extra forward speed, but can flatten out much quicker. The primary disadvantage with carving turns is that it confuses the guys behind you. How are they supposed to know which direction to land?
If you don't understand the difference - between craving versus "hook and hope" - you should not try either maneuver.
I do it...
I keep it for low wind days, it just gives me softer landings, especially with heavy passengers. I don't stab the turn though, I make a turn that's somewhere in between a carve and a stab, this gives me the bail-option.
In high winds I just set up just in front of the catchers and let it sink in.
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riggerrob 643
What about the TI who consistently toggle-whips a left-hand, 90 degree hook turn immediately in front of me?
Oh!
And a sign - nailed to the wall beside manifest says "right hand patterns only."
Oh!
And a sign - nailed to the wall beside manifest says "right hand patterns only."
rhys 0
violating landing paterns and turn style are two separate issues.
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On very windy days, I tend to like to increase my turn to 180, again not a very aggressive turn, I don't want to take away too much of my speed to start, and once it gets going, I can flare at any time and have instant response. I prefer to stay on the wind line, my dz can be fairly turbulent.
No real way to back it up, but if you can't do it right, don't do it at all. Only competent canopy pilots should consider adding speed for any landings, not just tandems. Just cause it works for me, I don't recommend it for everyone.
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