airtwardo 7 #1 April 18, 2014 Been a while since I've done any Tandems...but am I seeing a really poorly fitted student harness (laterals especially) and the consequences...or is something else going on? http://iloveskydiving.org/view/videos/friday-freakout-skydive-tandem-instructor-punches-tandem-student-in-freefall/ ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 38 #2 April 18, 2014 What's going on here is assault. Not sure if I'd call a lawyer or kick his ass. Best case is that he ONLY loses his rating.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #3 April 18, 2014 Deisel What's going on here is assault. Not sure if I'd call a lawyer or kick his ass. Best case is that he ONLY loses his rating. Is he whackin the student... or just trying to get the harness back over the shoulder? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
angryelf 0 #4 April 18, 2014 That's an interesting video..."Sometimes you eat the bar, and well-sometimes the bar eats you..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 38 #5 April 18, 2014 Looks pretty clear to me that the TI is punching the passenger. A technique that I've heard around the bonfire is to give a quick jab in the kidney. It'll get your passenger to arch more. Looks like this guy was trying to get the passenger to adjust body position through pain compliance. The fact that the TIs initial concern was the passengers legs indicates to me the he wasn't concerned about the harness. Just my guess.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #6 April 19, 2014 We discussed this one a few months back. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #7 April 19, 2014 airtwardoBeen a while since I've done any Tandems...but am I seeing a really poorly fitted student harness (laterals especially) and the consequences...or is something else going on? Was a busy day at the dz and a couple TI's were making back to backs, so they asked me to harness a student up. It's a Strong DZ but I was a Sigma rated TI. Harness is a harness and we would normally just rough fit it for the instructor to look over and snug up as they saw fit. This instructor actually stopped and asked me if it was my Sigma harness because it fit the student so much better than the Strong harnesses... It was a Strong harness..."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #8 April 20, 2014 DeiselLooks pretty clear to me that the TI is punching the passenger. A technique that I've heard around the bonfire is to give a quick jab in the kidney. It'll get your passenger to arch more. Looks like this guy was trying to get the passenger to adjust body position through pain compliance. ... ................................................................................ Pain compliance does not work with the stupidest of students. The dumbest/toughest students just turn around and punch you back! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quagmirian 40 #9 April 20, 2014 The beating will continue until you stop being scared. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boogers 0 #10 April 21, 2014 As you can see in the video, the instructor was trying to prevent a very dangerous tandem side spin, caused by the passenger's bad legs position. And the TI was unsuccessful in preventing that, and then had to pull early while in a high-speed sideways spin. How many line twists wrapped up during that spinning deployment? Was he able to clear them? People have died from that situation. So if you have to punch someone to prevent things from getting that bad, while that's ugly, it's not as ugly as; a side-spin / loss of consciousness / low AAD fire, or; high opening / line twists / cut-away / reserve ride. That's the other side of the story, which needed to be said, since the trend here is going to be to skewer the TI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #11 April 24, 2014 I think the laterals should have been a little tighter, IMHO. There's a long plane ride up. Good time to double check everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #12 April 24, 2014 This video, to me, is rife with "indications" that this TI just may have some "issues". Did anyone else notice, or take the very start of this video, where the TI is "maneuvering" a completely different student in the door, as I am as well? ...If this TI does have as much "anger issues" problems in dealing with his students/passengers as I am anyway reading into this from only just this one video posting (unfair to completely conclude) - some very real self assessment on his vocational choice is at the very least, clearly in order. coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goodfellas 0 #13 April 24, 2014 This is an old video. Happened 3 years ago. I know this guys personally. Upt and uspa took his rating for a year, during which time he underwent weekly therapy. At a board of directors meeting 9 months later he appealed the suspension, took full responsibility for his actions and gave his deepest appologies and promises that it would never happen again. The USPA board of directors and Bill Booth voted unanimously to forgive him and give him another chance. Jay Stokes himself re-trained him and he's done over 1500 tandems since with nothing like this happening again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
