Maksimsf 0 #1 December 24, 2012 Found this surfing youtube. Looks really disturbing. I don't know if that was AFF or just a coach jump. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXX_0OXq-F4 I didn't see this video in "Cypres Save" commercials, so it must be something else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quagmirian 40 #2 December 24, 2012 This video really puzzles me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #3 December 24, 2012 I hope I never get this low chasing a student. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorehambeach 9 #4 December 24, 2012 1.30 freefall and two AFF levels and a Low Pull all in one jump :) (plus an off landing and a trip the the dry cleaners for his pants) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Polite 0 #5 December 24, 2012 Quote I hope I never get this low chasing a student. Didn't look like he was really chasing him, more like just watching to see what happens Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #6 December 24, 2012 Looks like both were altitude unaware. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #7 December 24, 2012 QuoteLooks really disturbing. I don't know if that was AFF or just a coach jump Based on the dive flow - solo exit, turns and back loops, I'm guessing a coach type jump, but I'm not sure how that all works in Russia, so I can't say who would have been on the jump (if it was a rated instructor or not). The video has been posted before, and another disturbing part is the loose right legstrap, you can see the slack and that it would be possible for the jumper to reach under it looking for the handle. Another thing is shows (and this goes for any jump anywhere) is that if you don't break off when you're supposed to, someone who has lost altitude awareness will think the skydive is still 'on'. You can see that the student never looks at his alti, but is always making eye contact with the 'coach/instructor'. If any any time the coach/instructor had simply turned and left, that would have got the student thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #8 December 24, 2012 Quote If any any time the coach/instructor had simply turned and left, that would have got the student thinking. Having the coach pull right in front of the student give them a pretty strong "PULL" signal. That's what I was trained to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Divalent 135 #9 December 25, 2012 Well, the student waved off and was going for his main before the reserve fired (and pitched a split second after), so I don't think we can call this an AAD save of the student. Hopefully he survived the two out (so it won't be an AAD fatality). 10 sec reserve ride for the coach/instructor (I'm assuming it was his reserve, but can't be sure). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #10 December 25, 2012 That was his main. Lucky to have a fairly quick opening. I would hope that was not an instructional dive. His body position. Was amazingly bad. If a real instrunctor was filming that, I'd hope for some immediate interaction. Post dive, fix the fit of the leg strap. Then send him back for additional training. Teach a proper, compfortable, stable, arch, and recovery. The guy looks kinda big.Its more common to allow that to become a problem since generally, its stable (more or less) and making a bigger guy arch is sometimes out of the fall rate range of unprepared instructors. I tend to believe it was just a new jumper wanting a video and the videographer is used to relying on others for altitude awareness. I bet he stopped doing that immediately.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SEREJumper 1 #11 December 25, 2012 The camera man was more than likely on his main as you can see a frame with the cutaway cable going up the back of his yellow risers. Also, the color of the main (multi-colored) usually means a main, although some older reserves (Raven for example) could be used as both a main and reserve, but most reserves are a solid color. My search foo is weak tonight, I'm pretty sure I've seen this posted on here, but I can't find the thread.We're not fucking flying airplanes are we, no we're flying a glorified kite with no power and it should be flown like one! - Stratostar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redramdriver 0 #12 December 25, 2012 +1So, you bring your beer? Its 5 o'clock somewhere POPS #9344 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shredex 0 #13 December 26, 2012 The only answer to this video is: Some people should stick to gholf. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBUG 0 #14 December 27, 2012 This was a coach jump, you guys above are absolutely right. Both persons involved failed the jump big way. If I was person who make desicisons, both of the jumpers never jumped again at my DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quagmirian 40 #15 December 27, 2012 I don't think such extreme measures are called for. They both survived the jump so they must have been doing something right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #16 December 27, 2012 Quote If I was person who make desicisons, both of the jumpers never jumped again at my DZ. I don't know about the student, maybe back him/her up in the progression and work on altitude awareness. The coach, however, needs a talking to. I was taught that busting the hard deck is a huge No-No! I don't think banishment is in order, but it might be a while before I'd send them out on another coach jump? But then, who in their right state of mind would allow me to be making decisions? Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBUG 0 #17 December 27, 2012 Thing is that here in Russia we do not have coach system as a rule. So usually the person you do a recurrency jump with, is an instructor. And I found that the way instructor acts on video is absolutely wrong and unsafe. If I was a DZO, I've tried t get rid of him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #18 December 28, 2012 QuoteAnd I found that the way instructor acts on video is absolutely wrong and unsafe. If I was a DZO, I've tried t get rid of him. I agree.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #19 December 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteAnd I found that the way instructor acts on video is absolutely wrong and unsafe. If I was a DZO, I've tried t get rid of him. I agree. Is he really an instructor? If so, then I would not allow him to perform as an instructor, if he's not, then stop allowing him to perform "coaching" type dives. Forgive the altitude awareness and call it lesson learned after a strong debrief and move on.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #20 December 28, 2012 QuoteI don't think such extreme measures are called for. They both survived the jump so they must have been doing something right. I agree that such extreme measures are not called-for here. A more measured response such as remedial training during a weekend-long sit-down at the DZ (for both of them!), for example, might be a good way to deal with this. On the other hand, I strongly disagree with the all-too-often sentiment that just because a skydiver survives a dumbass move unscathed, he must have been doing something right. That's worse than a tired, old cliche; it's bullshit and it sets a dangerous example for novices. The corollary to the harsh fact that in skydiving you can do everything right and still die, is that sometimes you can do things shockingly wrong and still walk away unharmed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quagmirian 40 #21 December 28, 2012 QuoteOn the other hand, I strongly disagree with the all-too-often sentiment that just because a skydiver survives a dumbass move unscathed, he must have been doing something right. That's worse than a tired, old cliche; it's bullshit and it sets a dangerous example for novices.What I mean is that they could have done more bad things, like panic and cut the reserve lines with a hook knife or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #22 December 28, 2012 Quote What I mean is that they could have done more bad things, like panic and cut the reserve lines with a hook knife or something. You've got quite the imagination My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #23 December 28, 2012 Nothing puzzling here. - LOW PULL CONTEST! Guy with the camera won. Flaily-dude forgot to turn his AAD off is all. Darwin lurks. coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shredex 0 #24 December 28, 2012 Quote Nothing puzzling here. - LOW PULL CONTEST! Guy with the camera won. Flaily-dude forgot to turn his AAD off is all. Darwin lurks. Camera guy had his on too(Would be died if he didn't) It's just the guy who can't arch's went off first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #25 December 28, 2012 Quote Quote Nothing puzzling here. - LOW PULL CONTEST! Guy with the camera won. Flaily-dude forgot to turn his AAD off is all. Darwin lurks. Camera guy had his on too(Would be died if he didn't) It's just the guy who can't arch's went off first. The camera guy landed under his main, not his reserve.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
