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[SkyDekker 1,465]

Hopefully I can get this accross correctly,

When I enter a forum (really doesn't matter which one) it indicates with yellow icons those posts/replies that are new, which is a great feature to have.

Then when I read a thread and use the "jump to forum" button it used ot be that it would still show unread messages. Now by doing that, it marks all messages as read, eventhough they certainly aren't. For me all the different forums on dz.com are doing it.

Hopefully it can be changed back, since this way it is really hard to keep track of posts you have read and those you have not and to see if there is a new post to a thread.

Thanks, Justin

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Well, the problem seems to have fixed itself.....

[narcimund 0]

This happens to lots of people and it's been written about here many times. Sangiro claims it's about how different platforms handle cookies and has chosen not to spend the effort to track it down or fix it.

Personally as a web professional I've never been sold on the cookie explanation but if it's not worth his time to fix it, we won't ever know.

I just deal with the fact that "Read" or "Unread" indicators are basically useless so I can never really keep track of threads. It reduces the useability of the site pretty dramatically for me and other but that's how it goes.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[sangiro 26]

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Personally as a web professional I've never been sold on the cookie explanation

Umm... ok.

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It reduces the useability of the site pretty dramatically for me and other but that's how it goes.

Umm... sorry.

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Sangiro

[SkydiveMonkey 0]

I really like the idea of it, and find it very usegul. I'm sure 99% of other users do as well.

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[AggieDave 6]

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Sangiro claims it's about how different platforms handle cookies and has chosen not to spend the effort to track it down or fix it.

Personally as a web professional I've never been sold on the cookie explanation but if it's not worth his time to fix it, we won't ever know.

Seeing how this site is driven by the usage of cookies, and it has been proven many times over, I don't see why you take this stance. Also I don't see why you're accusing HH of not being a professional. Sites with this much traffic with as wide range of user platforms as there are, he has basically a bullet proof site. No one can have a site that handles this much traffic with as many user variables as there is and have a completely perfectly running site. That is statistically impossible.

I don't know, but I've been a web professional since 1993 and I'm really damned impressed.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I just deal with the fact that "Read" or "Unread" indicators are basically useless so I can never really keep track of threads.

See, and I think they are great and was wondering why they were not working anymore. Then I deleted all my cookies, files etc etc, restarted my computer and now it is working again, reliable and usefull.

[narcimund 0]

Dave,

You misunderstood my comments. I am not insulting Sangiro. I'm sorry you took it that way and I hope he didn't.

I am skeptical that the panacea word "cookies" is adequate to explain this particular problem. Cookies are not so mystical and complicated as that. They're reasonably predictable once you understand their behavior.

It's a common weakness among web people to chant "Macintoshes just work different" or "Opera is just in Beta" then turn aside from programming errors.

I am and remain very impressed with Sangiro and this website. However this is not one of the best features.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[sangiro 26]

LJ,

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It's a common weakness among web people

I guess I'm weak then...

Could you explain to me how this functionality works? It sounds like you understand it better than I do.

From the "flood of complaints" about this I know you are one of the exceptions when it comes to this working the way you expect it or not. When I prioritize stuff to fix or spend my time on, the "things which bug 3 people and have marginal functional value" falls pretty low on my list.

As a web professional you may like to beat the drums about that. As a pragmatist who is solely responsible for maintaining a site with more than 15,000 registered users, it's a pretty simple choice to me.

Sorry about the lost functionality.

Safe swoops
Sangiro

[AggieDave 6]

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It's a common weakness among web people to chant "Macintoshes just work different" or "Opera is just in Beta" then turn aside from programming errors.

I never chanted that, although many a night I stayed up pissed off at my programming because I couldn't get it to work properly in IE and Nutscrape (back when those two were going head to head, around 4 years ago).

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[narcimund 0]

Sangiro,

You are a volunteer and nobody has the right to choose your priorities for you. But on the other hand, there is no apparent rule against members discussing their own wishes and priorities. In fact, you've provided a Suggestions forum and an Errors forum both of which INVITE this sort of discussion.

I've become somewhat sanguine about these two forums however. I've made suggestions which I've put a lot of thought into and gotten silence in return. I've even written psuedocode which would solve minor problems hoping that that might make solving problems easier for you. There was zero response to that. Silence is difficult to accept. It doesn't make one feel welcome.

If you wanted to collaborate on this particular problem, I might have some diagnostic and development skills to contribute. So far the only comment you've made about your belief as to the cause was something like "Macintoshes handle cookies differently." In my experience, that statement isn't true and from my guesses as to how your forum remembers which threads have been read by which members do not lead me to expect a Macintosh/Cookie irregularity is a likely cause.

However, your Mac/Cookies comment was followed by "It's not a priority" followed by a period. This combined with silence when I've previously offered to be of assistance, and also combined with your comments above which seem to sarcastically invite me not to comment about website errors anymore, may continue to get the point through my head.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[sangiro 26]

LJ,

I've written you about this in PMs before as well. You seem to have a hard time accepting that I'm not responding to your every suggestion and idea. Please accept that I'll continue to read them and spend time on the ones that I believe are worth implementing. Just because you wrote "psuedocode which would solve minor problems" that I may still see it as just that, a minor problem, and opt to spend my time somewhere else. If you were just discussing issues that would be one thing, but you tend to whine when you don't get personal attention or replies to your suggestions. This is not the first time. That has made me somewhat "sanguine" to some of your posts as well.

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Sangiro

[narcimund 0]

What a change in tone, Sangiro. The private message you're referring to was completely different than this. I'd say 180 degrees different. Perhaps you'll forgive me for thinking you valued my suggestions when you said so effusively.

That private message was in response to my suggestion that an acknowledgement of these suggestions you invite, if not an actual reply, would be more respectful than silence.

It's possible you actually read them, but it's also entirely possible that you don't. And since you're the ONLY one who can so much as fix a spelling error or reset a thrashing SQL server, you're the ONLY one whose response means anything. The cute discussions we peons entertain ourselves with are just running in circles.

Or is the purpose of these two forums largely to let people wear themselves out? If so, forgive me for being "whiny". It's frustrating to accept an invitation to be helpful then find out what the invitation was really worth.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[sangiro 26]

We'll leave this one here as it's doing no one any good.

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Sangiro