jetbox 0 #1 November 15, 2012 So just last weekend I completed my first IAF Lvl1 Jump at SkyDive PA DZ. The jump was awesome and I can safely say I am hooked. However once I pulled and was under canopy I was having an incredibly hard time hearing the radios. I start freaking out and just kept circling the DZ as best as I could (pretty far off-course). Finally I could hear the radio and eventually landed exactly where I needed to be. The radio operator asked what the hell had happened up there, I explained I couldn't hear the radio and the wind was insane. I later found out they had stopped jumping students due to wind conditions. Basically I am asking, as a student If I do not have the assistance of a radio.....what should I do? I just kept looking around for alt spots to land if I could not land in the DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #2 November 15, 2012 The radio is only a backup. You should be trained to know how to land all on your own before you ever went up in the plane. Batteries fail, radios come unattached, and sometimes wind pushes people off course. On the positive side looking for an alternative place to land if you can't make it back to the main landing area is exactly what you should do. Make sure you get retrained and understand every part of your canopy plan and flight before you jump again. Radios are a backup device and ultimately it is your responsibility to land safely and you who suffers the consequences if you don't."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
melanie91 0 #3 November 15, 2012 You should have been trained not to rely on the radio and your training should have included plenty of time spent on how to fly your canopy, your pattern, how to land safely, how to deal with challenging conditions etc... It can be overwhelming on your first jump but you should go back to your instructors and ask them to go over the canopy control lessons again so that if you're caught without a working radio again it won't be a big deal. Glad you enjoyed your jump :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linebckr83 3 #4 November 15, 2012 Well first off, the wind speed won't affect how loud the air is. You still have the same airspeed no matter what direction or magnitude of wind over the ground. So don't expect it to be any quieter on a different day. Were you wearing a helmet over your earpiece? Once you landed, did they check the volume level of your radio? Did your instructors teach you how to fly a proper pattern and land without radios? The first jump course should have included all this information. The radio is just for backup so you should know what to do if the radio fails or cannot be heard...kind of like your case. If not, I'd ask them to teach you that subject as it is required. By the way, congrats on the first jump and welcome!"Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jetbox 0 #5 November 15, 2012 We WERE trained on how to handle the days conditions, however I did not jump the same day as my ground training. The day I returned, we went over the jump conditions but not enough to really make me think I was prepared for proper canopy flying. I will be asking this weekend (level 2) to touch back on canopy and what to do. They did check the radio after landing and it was faulty. I did not have an earpiece, the radio was inside ontop of my helmet so it was a bit hard to hear with my ears popping pretty hard. All-in-all I think it was a case of me being unprepared, and relying too heavily on the radio. I assume that's a classic 1st timer mistake. Thanks for the info, and thanks for the welcome...I cant believe I waited till 25 to realize how life changing this sport is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #6 November 15, 2012 There is a lot of information in a first jump class and a whole lot of it is important, so it is not unusual to either get overwhelmed and forget things or forget things if you don't get to jump that day. Definitely make sure you are comfortable with caopy flight before you go back up again. Since I forgot to say welcome, Welcome!"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
melanie91 0 #7 November 15, 2012 Yeah, you have the right attitude. Just remember if you're not comfortable with something, ask BEFORE you jump. This is especially important if you're not jumping every single week. When I was a student I made the mistake of not asking my instructors to go over canopy flight again before one of my jumps. Luckily my radio worked and I didn't have an incident, but it could have been different. . The feeling of being under canopy not knowing what I should be doing, and having to wait for the radio to instruct me was terrifying and after that jump I made sure that I was 100% comfortable before deciding to get in the plane. Good luck on your next jump :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
excaza 1 #8 November 15, 2012 QuoteThe day I returned, we went over the jump conditions but not enough to really make me think I was prepared for proper canopy flying. Perhaps you just worded it poorly, but why on earth did you jump if you didn't feel prepared? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydivesg 7 #9 November 16, 2012 To help hear the radio make sure you clear your ears after you open. This will help your hearing and limit the popping and crackling. Learn the valsalva maneuver to clear the ears. I have to clear them two or three times during my canopy flight. .Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 November 16, 2012 QuoteI start freaking out Well there's your problem right there.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erdnarob 1 #11 November 19, 2012 Unfortunately,at some DZ, students are learning to fly their canopy with radio only or so. Better yet, some instructors swear that students should be kept at minimum info because, as they say, they will forget anyway. I totally disagree with such an approach. As instructors we have to teach survival skills at any level. Radio is fine, but there is a way to use it with intelligence and educational approach. It's a bit more challenging for the radio operator but it works. Students at any level should know before boarding about : the wind line and how to "see" it, the descent pattern with key points (landmarks)in use and which direction he/she has to face to at landing (using landmarks on the ground such trees, runway, buildings, and... sun at the time of the day).Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites