Geoff 0 #1 September 19, 2001 A question:What causes the tiny points of wear, and eventually tiny holes that often seem to occur on the upper tail of a canopy? What can I do to prevent or minimise this?I always cock my kill-line before putting the canopy in the bag and there's no exposed metal connector link inside my bag, unlike some designs.I use a fairly standard pro-pack, but I don't normally put in the short s-fold in the region of the slider as some people do. Just one big single S shape.Any ideas?thanksGeoff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #2 September 19, 2001 First, a question: are they in the center of the tail or off on the sides. I will assume you mean in the middle. My opinion: since you are not making what a rigger would call "the ten inch fold" (which is actually much smaller if you have tiny rig like mine), you have more fabric pulling over that portion of your tail. With the little fold, the tip of your tail barely gets any friction; maybe three inches worth on my rig.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #3 September 20, 2001 Those tiny pinholes in the center tail are caused by the grommets on the bag and slider slapping together. Unfortunately any fabric that gets in the way gets damaged. The only solution I have heard is to wrap the tail around above the slider grommets, but this can easily lead to a whole other series of problems.The good news is that it takes an awful lot of pinholes before the flying characteristics or structural strength are affected.Pin holes in the center tail are considered normal wear and tear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff 0 #4 September 20, 2001 Thanks - that makes a lot of sense. So would lighter slider grommets be better? - I think I have stainless steel currently, and I think brass ones are lighter. might be remembering wrong, though.cheersGeoff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 September 20, 2001 Stainless Steel are better in my opinion because they dont alter their shape as easly as brass ones do. Hitting a metal link can cause the brass ones to distort or even form Burrs. These burrs can easly wear out a line set in no time. Stainless Gromments are less likely to develop these burrs and they will last longer hitting metal links then a brass groment.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cobaltdan 0 #6 September 20, 2001 my prefference is for brass with soft links...dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #7 September 20, 2001 I personally use Stainless Gromments and Soft links. Could I get Stainless ones on a Cobalt when I order it?Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swaika 0 #8 January 10, 2015 any hints where these little holes/dents came from??? anyone could give me some decent advice how to avoid them? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Earp 0 #9 January 11, 2015 swaikaany hints where these little holes/dents came from??? Has the canopy draped over a barbed wire fence? Landed in a briar patch? Jumped in Florida where the landing area is full of sand spurs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swaika 0 #10 January 11, 2015 Always landed on grass and packed on carpet. No contact with wire fences or other sharp objects. The canopy is almost new 200 jumps on it, and i notice more and more little holes/cuts on upper centre cell fabric close to bridle attachment point after each deployment. It just started to appear after i got brand new V303 D-bag installed. I've done close inspection of my dbag grommets and didn't notice any sharp edges, but i am almost sure that it is something with a d-bag... Ive tried various s-folding techniques, removed metal bridle attachment ring, changed rubber bands small ones vs larger ones from time to time, but nothing has helped to prevent new small cuts/dents appearing each time after opening... it's small canopy ( xfire2 89) if it might be a reason... wondering if anyone else has experienced something similar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #11 January 12, 2015 Hook velcro on inside of bag facing canopy?I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swaika 0 #12 January 12, 2015 councilman24Hook velcro on inside of bag facing canopy? Nope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #13 January 12, 2015 Did you look or just guess? I don't know if this bag is split but could if it is they could have built the bag with hook facing in. Don't just check the grommets. Might be a sharp hot knifed corner or edge on some tape or reinforcing. Almost looks like dents from small gravel in the canopy.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swaika 0 #14 January 12, 2015 Had a thorough look once again. The dbag has no sharp edges, the tapes and edges looks good. And there are no traces of gravel inside the canopy. most likely this makes sence: "Those tiny pinholes in the center tail are caused by the grommets on the bag and slider slapping together. Unfortunately any fabric that gets in the way gets damaged" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
cobaltdan 0 #6 September 20, 2001 my prefference is for brass with soft links...dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #7 September 20, 2001 I personally use Stainless Gromments and Soft links. Could I get Stainless ones on a Cobalt when I order it?Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swaika 0 #8 January 10, 2015 any hints where these little holes/dents came from??? anyone could give me some decent advice how to avoid them? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Earp 0 #9 January 11, 2015 swaikaany hints where these little holes/dents came from??? Has the canopy draped over a barbed wire fence? Landed in a briar patch? Jumped in Florida where the landing area is full of sand spurs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swaika 0 #10 January 11, 2015 Always landed on grass and packed on carpet. No contact with wire fences or other sharp objects. The canopy is almost new 200 jumps on it, and i notice more and more little holes/cuts on upper centre cell fabric close to bridle attachment point after each deployment. It just started to appear after i got brand new V303 D-bag installed. I've done close inspection of my dbag grommets and didn't notice any sharp edges, but i am almost sure that it is something with a d-bag... Ive tried various s-folding techniques, removed metal bridle attachment ring, changed rubber bands small ones vs larger ones from time to time, but nothing has helped to prevent new small cuts/dents appearing each time after opening... it's small canopy ( xfire2 89) if it might be a reason... wondering if anyone else has experienced something similar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #11 January 12, 2015 Hook velcro on inside of bag facing canopy?I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swaika 0 #12 January 12, 2015 councilman24Hook velcro on inside of bag facing canopy? Nope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #13 January 12, 2015 Did you look or just guess? I don't know if this bag is split but could if it is they could have built the bag with hook facing in. Don't just check the grommets. Might be a sharp hot knifed corner or edge on some tape or reinforcing. Almost looks like dents from small gravel in the canopy.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swaika 0 #14 January 12, 2015 Had a thorough look once again. The dbag has no sharp edges, the tapes and edges looks good. And there are no traces of gravel inside the canopy. most likely this makes sence: "Those tiny pinholes in the center tail are caused by the grommets on the bag and slider slapping together. Unfortunately any fabric that gets in the way gets damaged" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
swaika 0 #8 January 10, 2015 any hints where these little holes/dents came from??? anyone could give me some decent advice how to avoid them? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earp 0 #9 January 11, 2015 swaikaany hints where these little holes/dents came from??? Has the canopy draped over a barbed wire fence? Landed in a briar patch? Jumped in Florida where the landing area is full of sand spurs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swaika 0 #10 January 11, 2015 Always landed on grass and packed on carpet. No contact with wire fences or other sharp objects. The canopy is almost new 200 jumps on it, and i notice more and more little holes/cuts on upper centre cell fabric close to bridle attachment point after each deployment. It just started to appear after i got brand new V303 D-bag installed. I've done close inspection of my dbag grommets and didn't notice any sharp edges, but i am almost sure that it is something with a d-bag... Ive tried various s-folding techniques, removed metal bridle attachment ring, changed rubber bands small ones vs larger ones from time to time, but nothing has helped to prevent new small cuts/dents appearing each time after opening... it's small canopy ( xfire2 89) if it might be a reason... wondering if anyone else has experienced something similar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #11 January 12, 2015 Hook velcro on inside of bag facing canopy?I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swaika 0 #12 January 12, 2015 councilman24Hook velcro on inside of bag facing canopy? Nope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #13 January 12, 2015 Did you look or just guess? I don't know if this bag is split but could if it is they could have built the bag with hook facing in. Don't just check the grommets. Might be a sharp hot knifed corner or edge on some tape or reinforcing. Almost looks like dents from small gravel in the canopy.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swaika 0 #14 January 12, 2015 Had a thorough look once again. The dbag has no sharp edges, the tapes and edges looks good. And there are no traces of gravel inside the canopy. most likely this makes sence: "Those tiny pinholes in the center tail are caused by the grommets on the bag and slider slapping together. Unfortunately any fabric that gets in the way gets damaged" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
