Me confused

[lippy 918]

Okay, I have a wee bit of a problem. I am piecing together my first rig, and I want a Javelin in there, but I don't know what size to go with. My main is a Sabre 170, and a PD 143R. There's gonna be a Cypress in there too. So do I get a J2 or a J3. I'd just ask my rigger, but he's on vacation, and the people at Sunpath havn't gotten back to me yet. I wanna order my container this week, so somebody who jumps these canopies with a Javelin, or would be able to give me an informed answer, please do.
Live to Jump, Pull to Live
Lippy

[mikefarmer 0]

I don't have a clue as to the answer t your question, but if you are ordering new, you might try one of the big gear stores (square1 or para-gear) for that info. The url's are listed in the "links" section of DZ.com. Good luck w/the new gear, & make sure to get a Javelin w/hard cutaway housings if you buy used!!!
Mike
Sky World

[billvon 2,991]

>Okay, I have a wee bit of a problem. I am piecing together my first rig, and I want
> a Javelin in there, but I don't know what size to go with. My main is a Sabre 170,
> and a PD 143R. There's gonna be a Cypress in there too. So do I get a J2 or a J3.
I assume you have looked at sunpath.com. On that site, the recommended size for your canopies is a J3. I would tend to avoid the J2 unless a) your sabre is very old and b) you plan to downsize soon. We have a jumper at Otay who jumped a 170 something (I think it was a Sabre) in a smallish Javelin and it was ugly - the pin protector would not close securely. I don't know if it was a J2 or not.
-bill von

[hookit 0]

I jump a J1 which has the same size main tray as the J2 (up to 150 sq. ft. according to Javelin). I would say it would be possible (but not easy) to pack a Sabre 170 in it. I originally had a Stiletto 150 that fit snugly in the container.
If you get the J2 with a Sabre 170 I would say to be prepared for difficulty getting the canopy in the bag (especially if the canopy is new). Plus the container will likely take some 'coaxing' to close. I pack for myself and I don't think I'd be willing to go to the extra hassle EVERY time I pack.
I would recommend you go with the J3. Packing will be much easier while you have the 170 and you will have no problem downsizing to a 150 and probably even a 135 main in that container. I currently have an FX 104 in my J1. I had to shorten the closing loop significantly and the rig looks a bit top-heavy with a 143 reserve (and cypress) but there's adequate tension on the main-pin.
Good Luck,
Trey

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Just tell sunpath the canopies that you intend to use, and what AAD if any. There's a space for it on the order form, they will decide what size of container you need.

[PhreeZone 20]

I'm wondering why the 143R with a 170 main unless you are planing on downsizing right away. If you are planning on downsizing in less then 25 jumps or so, then a J2 might work. Other wise, do yourself a favor and grab a PD160R and put it all in a J3. And if you are going to a 150 in the super near future, a J1 would work with a 143R.
A PD160R and Cypress fits fine in either size container (I have a J2) but unless you are jumping a 7 cell main, you will be very hard pressed to close the J2 and then when you do, the pin protection will not work right.
As for a 143R in a J3, it flops around and is loose in the container. Your rigger can make it fit, but it might not look the best. I would'nt recommend it if you can avoid it.
Best Advice, either grab a 150 Main or a 150/160 Reserve. I'd lean more to the 160 reserve if you've never landed a 150 main before.
I want to touch the sky, I want to fly so high ~ Sonique

[lippy 918]

I have the smaller reserve b/c I got the two canopies together, and that's what the seller had. If I had of thought of it more, and not just bought the first decent canopies for a decent price, I would have gotten two canopies that were closer together size-wise. Don't get me wrong, I'm completely confident in my ability to safely land a 143 in the event of a mal, but this container thing would be less of a head-ache.
Obviously a J3 would be best considering the size of my main. I am just wondering if there would be any negative effects in having the reserve area sized for a reserve 17sq, ft larger than the reserve I have. Again, any info appreciated.
Live to Jump, Pull to Live,
Lippy

[PhreeZone 20]

Depending on the condition of the 143R, there are probally some jumpers that would be willing to trade thier larger reserves for it. You might want to put up an add advertising PD 143 for trade for similar condition Dash-m 181, Tempo 170 or PD 160.
Or trade the main on something else that is more what you were looking for instead of the first thing that came along. An add like : PD Sabre with x jumps for trade for a 150 9 cell ZP in similar condition.
As for the fit, Let me check my rigging stuff when I get home tonight, but I'm thinking that the reserve is too small to fit in the container properly. The problem would be there is not enough material to properly fill the freebag and the packtray and still have the Closing loop at the 2 inches that is recommended. And as for the volume, a 143R is 338 cubic inches and a 176R (that fits in a J3) is 390. Thats 50 cubic inches that would be empty space on your rig. Talk to Aggie at Sunpath for the best advice though.
I want to touch the sky, I want to fly so high ~ Sonique

[skybytch 273]

According to the Javelin sizing chart that Sunpath sent us, a J3 will hold a PD160R/Raven 1/Tempo 170/Raven 181-M reserve and a 170 sq ft zp main. A J2 is the same reserve container size but will hold a 150 zp main. A PD176R requires a J4 container size. Depending on where you are in the world you "might" be able to put a 170 zp main in a J1 (which holds a PD143R/MR150/Tempo 150/Raven 150-M reserve). You'd hate it in a dry climate (Perris, Eloy...), but it is doable in a more humid climate (like Florida).
pull and flare,
lisa
--
life's a bitch.. and so am I

[PhreeZone 20]

Taken from Sunpaths site.....
Container Dimensions Reserve Canopies with Microline Main Canopies with Microline
J3 19.25 x 10.75 x 4.75 PD-160, Raven I, Tempo-170 , Swift + 175, PD-176 (tight), DM181 ZP up to 170' sq. Safire 169,189 F-111 up to 190' sq.
I want to touch the sky, I want to fly so high ~ Sonique

[skybytch 273]

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Taken from Sunpaths site.....

Nice. I just love how the manufacturers keep their dealers updated with current information....
pull and flare,
lisa
--
life's a bitch.. and so am I

[ElZorro 0]

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