Skystorm 0 #26 February 9, 2002 My instructor told me last night that I must jump the 210 COE-D for 20-30 odd more jumps before he'll put me on the 185 ZP. When I've done about 20-30 more jumps on the ZP with stand up landings or running it out, he'll consider switching me to my own 170 ZP EXE. Butt Bounce, butt bounce...One of my friends wanted me to get the elliptical Heatwave 150. He's gonna be mad as hell, when he finds out that I've decided on the ZP. But that's his problem. I feel comfortable with my decision, and I'm sticking to it.Hang onto Heaven, when hell is on your back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #27 February 9, 2002 Good girl! Ignore your "friends" advice on the Heatwave. Its a Stiletto class canopy. (High Proformance) If you are having problems on your landings now.... that Heatwave could have *easily* broken you.Political Correctness-At least one person at any one time will be offended by something Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #28 February 9, 2002 I dont see why any one would be mad as hell at anyone for wanting to be safe. I mean really......does it matter? you think luigi who flies a VX46 is going to look down on one of his team mates that flies a "whatever" 120....NO. I think some people may have the idea that the smaller canopy one flies means there are a better skydiver in the freefall sence. WHICH IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE!!! Good for you for going with the ZP and if your freind is that upset about it , maybe that should tell you something about him/her!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skystorm 0 #29 February 9, 2002 He's not so bad, just much more experienced. He jumps everyday, it's his work.As he sees it I won't be able to sell the ZP later on and from his point of view he thinks it's a much safer canopy in turbulence than the ZP. (But from what I heard and read that is not true) He's also concerned about the toggle pressure because I'm so small, but I do some weight training in my aerobics class, so I feel that sould be no problem for me. We did agree to go with the 170 though. Some people wanted me to get a 135!!!Hang onto Heaven, when hell is on your back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #30 February 9, 2002 Skystorm, Wait a while on the Heatwave 135. Ha! Ha!Seriously, your instructor has mapped out a reasonable progression: COE-D 210, ZP 185, ZP 170, etc.His best point is to get smooth with a canopy before you down size.As for your friend who is trying to push you towards a tiny Heatwave .... sounds like HE really wants a Heatwave, but has not been watching your landings.If you want to impress other jumpers, you will land your CURRENT canopy smoothly. Only the snobs brag about size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skystorm 0 #31 February 11, 2002 Rob,He had a Heatwave 150, recently switched to a 135 Stilleto (I think). He lives at sealevel, where my landings are perfect. I live about 4000ft above sealevel and here I have a problem with my landings. I'm beginning to think that I should move to the coast. No seriously, I think that I flare to late up here.Hang onto Heaven, when hell is on your back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaleThornton 0 #32 February 11, 2002 Hi Skystorm Well I think the ZP exe is definitely a better choice than the Heatwave, however I think the Hornet would be a far better buy as the technology behind it far supersedes the ZP and PISA has better delivery times. Also the Hornet has a better flare and glide ratio. Please dont let anything I say confuse your decision, just giving my opinion.Blue Skies Dale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skystorm 0 #33 February 11, 2002 Dale,I did consider the Hornet and spoken at length to my instructor. And seeing that he's also my jumpmaster and knows my style, we decided on the ZP. I don't mind the waiting period, I just want to be save. And after carefull consideration I decided that the ZP would be my safest choice.So it'll be the ZP 170 Main, 150 Tempo Reserve and a Vortex II container with hiprings. Other spesifications will be a collapsible pilot chute, throw-out BOC and a 3 riser system. Anything else I should consider?Hang onto Heaven, when hell is on your back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #34 February 11, 2002 Get a hackey as well. You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #35 February 11, 2002 Quote So it'll be the ZP 170 Main, 150 Tempo Reserve and a Vortex II container with hiprings. Other spesifications will be a collapsible pilot chute, throw-out BOC and a 3 riser system. Anything else I should consider? Why are you planning on going with a 170ZP main, but an F111 150 reserve? Why not go with the Tempo 170 reserve instead of the 150? Do you want to land a smaller canopy than you have ever jumped before in a very tight area after getting under reserve at 800ft due to a canopy collision at 1200ft? IMO, too many people jump a reserve that is too small for them - ESPECIALLY if they have never flown a canopy that small..You state a "3 riser system"......do you mean triple risers? If so, why? Triple risers are more suited to highly loaded canopies, and they don't really benefit you on lightly loaded canopies, IIRC..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #36 February 11, 2002 Quotedid consider the Hornet and spoken at length to my instructor. And seeing that he's also my jumpmaster and knows my style, we decided on the ZP. I don't mind the waiting period, I just want to be save. And after carefull consideration I decided that the ZP would be my safest choice.Why are you in such a rush to get your gear NOW? Your instructor is correct, the ZP is safer then the Hornet. However, after 100 jumps the ZP will bore the piss out of you. The Hornet will keep you interested for longer. A hundred jumps may seem like a lot, but that could very well be this year.The Hornet is a perfectly good canopy, good for low time jumpers. What is the delivery time on the hornet? How many jumps will you have by the time it shows up? What level of proficiency would you have then? Could you work with your instructor to prepare for the hornet? Just because you're not ready for the Hornet NOW, doesn't mean you won't be ready in two monthes. Depending on how you regularly you jump, I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't be ready for the Hornet in a few weeks if not by the time summer rolls around. Again, keep talking to your instructor._Am5578905 @ ICQAndyMan! @ MSN Messengerametcalf_1999 @ Yahoo IM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skystorm 0 #37 February 12, 2002 AM,We jump only once a month (long story) and you're lucky if you get 2/3 loads to jump. We're a very small DZ and only 10 active skydivers. Our plane is on another DZ where it's used more regulary, making more money for our club. So we have one weekend a month to jump and not enough $$$ for more than maybe 2/3 jumps. I don't think that I will be ready for a Hornet in 100 jumps.And I have to buy gear now, for I have a sponsor and can not tell him to safe it for a later date.Hang onto Heaven, when hell is on your back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skystorm 0 #38 February 12, 2002 >Why are you planning on going with a 170ZP main, but an F111 150 reserve? Why not go with the Tempo 170 reserve instead of the 150? Do you want to land a smaller canopy than you have ever jumped before in a very tight area after getting under reserve at 800ft due to a canopy collision at 1200ft? IMO, too many people jump a reserve that is too small for them - ESPECIALLY if they have never flown a canopy that small..<Aviatrr, You have a good point there. What I was thinking was the size of the container with 2x 170's packed into it. I have a very small, narrow build. I worry that the container will be to bulky and big for my build. And I have been told that I actually should be flying a 135 according to my weight and build. Would a 150 reserve really be such a bad idea? I really need all the advice and opinions I can get. I haven't ordered the gear yet, but must do so before Wednesday, we will be having a price increase.Hang onto Heaven, when hell is on your back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #39 February 12, 2002 Aviatr gave some good advice, but AM needs to lighten up.If you only get to jump one weekend out of the month, then a rectangular ZP would be a better choice.I am also guessing that you can pick up a slightly used ZP for a fraction of the cost of a new Hornet.As for container size ... Start by deciding what size of reserve you can stand up on a bad day. Then decide which size of main you can stand up on a regular basis. Then tell the factory to sew you a container that will fit those canopies. Container size should be your last decision and frankly, the decision is better left to the container factory. They know which size of container will be easiest to pack with those canopies. Just remind the container factory that you are petite and want a narrow rig. A container specifically designed for a petite woman will be shorter, narrower and thicker than a similar-sized container designed for a tall guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #40 February 12, 2002 As for the hacky sack. It is a lot of money for a fashion statement. Your money would be better spent on jump tickets.Maybe I am old and set in my ways, but I figure that if tossing orange plastic tubing has saved my life a few thousand times, then it is good enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #41 February 12, 2002 I have to dissagree with you. I have jumped the orange plastic tube and did not like it at all. I couldn't get as good of a grip and it was actually a little harder to pull on. With the hacky and monkey fist I've found it is very easy to get a firm grip on it even when my fingers were numb from the cold. Also, I've never had either of them slip in my hand. That is just my personal opinion.Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #42 February 12, 2002 Okay Skycat,I will agree with you that monkey fists make the best pilotchute handles.However, Istill believe that orange plastic tubing is a decent second choice at a far lower price.Hacky sacks are a fashion statement first, and a a distant third in terms of ease of pulling.For example, I thought that the soft drogue handles on early Strong tandems sucked the big one - because I had difficulty locating them while wearing winter gloves - and was mighty glad when they switched to a piece of tubing.The above comments should not be taken as fact, just the hard won opinions of a grumpy old fart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #43 February 12, 2002 Skystorm,I can agree with the throw-out BOC, and collapsible PC, but would not recommend tri-risers. Tri-risers only help the top canopy competitors.I have a set of tri-risers on my Sabre 135. They are such a nuisance that I plan to sew them shut next time there is black thread in the sewing machine. Can you say noon today? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
