7 & 9 cells

[eml 0]

is it safe to say a zero p 7 cell, having more drive than f111, but being 7 cells has the drive similar to a f111- 9 cell?

[freeflir29 0]

No...you are talking about canopies with way too many differences. 7 Cells tend to open very snivelly. IE Omega, Spectre. 7 Cells tend to have a steeper glide angle and react a little differen't to braking. 9 Cell squares don't snivel AS MUCH. More shallow full flight glide. These are very general observations and can be radically differen't depending on the canopy manufacturer.
"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay

[Hooknswoop 19]

"7 Cells tend to open very snivelly"
Most reserves are 7 cells, and they don't snivel. Base canopys are 7 cells and definately don't snivel. I wouldn't characterized 7 cells as snively. Some are, some aren't, same as 9 cells.
Hook

[rhino 0]

What decision are you trying to make with this information?
Rhino
Blue Skies and Smooth Rides!!

[SkydiveMonkey 0]

But reserves and BASE canopies need to open quickly. Most sport 7 cells will snivel a lot. You are right though. Just depends on what it was made to do.
You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!!

[rhino 0]

I have the majority of my jumps on a Triathlon and a Diablo 7 cells.. They DO NOT snivel very often.. You have to SLOW THEM DOWN with packing technique..
Rhino
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[eml 0]

ok, snivel, no snivel, a pack job controls that. the question was about glide. since a zero p glides better than f111, wouldn't a zero 7 cell glide similar to a f111 9 cell?

[Hooknswoop 19]

Sorry, got side tracked :-) back to the question: would an F-111, say a PD-190 glide the same as a 0-P lets say, triatholon 190, all other things being equal? I honestly don't know, but I would put my $$$ on the F-111, 9-Cell outgliding the 0-P 7 Cell. Not very helpful, but it couldn't be that hard to find two people w/ the same size canopys, one an F-111, 9-Cell and the otherr a 0-P, 7-Cell w/ the same wing loading and roughly the same # of jumps on each and fly them end cell to end cell and see which one out-glides the other. Any test-jump volunteers?
Hook

[skycat 0]

can't we just hook both canopies up at the same time in your rig?

[steve1 5]

I don't have a great deal of square canopy time. (only about 120 jumps on a square). I normally jump a Falcon 195 (F-111 nine cell). I jumped a friends Triathalon 190 a while back. It seemed very similiar to my Falcon. It seemed about the same dive rate and forward speed. It did have a much nicer flare and landing though. I only made one jump on it. You might want to ask someone with more comparison jumps between the two.

[Hooknswoop 19]

I haven't re-packed the reserve from the last time, geez, give me a break :-)
Hook

[rhino 0]

I've jumped the falcon also.. The Triathlon will slow down a bit more.. Get a little better penetration in the wind. Hold up in turbulence better "more solid" It has better low speed capabilities.. From my experience ....
Rhino
Blue Skies and Smooth Rides!!

[riggerrob 643]

You are discussing two different variables in the same thread.
First, new F-111 fabric flies about the same as Zero Porousity fabric. After about 70 jumps (F-111 fabric) openings will soften. After 700 jumps the F-111 canopy becomes a car cover. By 700 jumps, the F-111 canopy will have a steeper glide and less flare power.
Secondly, most 9-cells will out-glide most 7-cells.
As for the side discussion on openings .... sorry dude, there are far too many different classes of 7-cells to generalize about openings. Specialized 7-cells are built for CReW, BASE, accuracy, reserves and casual skydiving. Opening characteristics vary from snivel to snap depending upon: slider size, line trim, nose design and packing technique.

[rhino 0]

Not really any room to argue on this one.. But my observations on the Triathlon and Diablo are right on..
Blue Skies and Smooth Rides!!

[flow 1]

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Base canopys are 7 cells and definately don't snivel.

Yeah, but look at the slider of Base canopy, that makes a huge difference in the opening.
j.

[billvon 3,030]

>since a zero p glides better than f111, wouldn't a zero 7 cell glide similar to a f111 9 cell?
Hard to say. A canopy rigged with a steeper angle of incidence will descend faster, and have a poorer glide ratio, than one with a shallower rig angle. A new F111 will outglide an old F111 of the same type. A ZP will outglide both, although will be similar to new F111. A 9-cell will outglide an otherwise identical 7-cell. An elliptical 7 cell will tend to outglide a square 7-cell, if the aspect ratio is higher(which is usually the case.)
-bill von