cobalt v heatwave

[allen 0]

which of these performs the best ?
wing loading will be 1.35
any comments on easy of use, forward speed ,flare etc.
i'm leaning towards the heatwave because of the price
but if any one knows of anyone doing good deals on cobalts
i would like to here.
thanks

[PhreeZone 20]

Proformance is in the eye of the jumper....
Are you talking about glide, turn rate, recovery arc, ability to maintain speed, etc
Basically a Heatwave is a Stiletto clone, a Cobalt is similar in proformance to a Crossfire, keep those options also open in your search for information.
BTW, what size canopy are you looking for?
Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush

[allen 0]

size would be a 135
and yes i'm an talking about all of the above.

[Kirils 1]

Pardon me Poo, get your head out of the honey pot... I have a Heatwave and Stiletto, both the same size. I speak from experience that a Heatwave is not a Stiletto clone. They are built, fly and handle differently. I don't know where people get this idea that all SA canopies and containers are copies of US made products. Outside the States I have heard it said last fall, that the PD Sabre II is copy of the Hornet!
Skydiving is not a static excercise with discrete predictability...

[skycat 0]

On this same thought the cobalt and the crossfire don't fly the same at all either. Having put several jumps on a Cobalt 120 and a ton on a crossfire 116, the cobalt was very twitchy with alot of oversteer. The crossfire felt like you were flying a much bigger canopy, but had a longer recovery arc when comeing out of turns and dives. When giving the cobalt toggle imput it came to a stop, were as the crossfire it will plane out then you have to milk out the rest of your flare to make it stop. Basically it forces you to fly it all the way to a stop, and isn't very fogiving to "saber" flares.
A cobalt jumper with over 800 jumps on a cobalt 120 and about 40 or 50 on a cobalt 95 jumped my crossfire 104 this weekend and he said it glided much better than his cobalt he didn't expect to make it back to the DZ since his 120 wouldn't have, not only did he make it back, he had enough alt to hook it, which he said he was very happy he only did a 180 cause it dove alot more and instead of planeing out like his cobalt does, it kept diving, and actually had to give it toggle imput to make it come out of a dive. He still had a very pretty swoop, but you could tell it surprised him and he wasn't used to that kind of flare.
I would definately say demo them all. They all have good traits and they all have bad traits, what some people think are good traits others think they are bad traits and vice versa. Personally I'm going to stay with my crossfire because it flies the way I like, my friend Cyndi is sticking with her Stiletto cause it flies the way she likes which is actually the opposite of what I like. So demo them all, and have fun doing it. Also demo a nitron, I've only heard good things so far.

[PhreeZone 20]

Two points here..... The heatwave may handle differently, but it is still in the same proformance class, correct? It's not like a Manta and its not like a VX?
And I heard it right from PD, the Sabre2 is not a clone of anything. They had came up with a list of what they wanted the next canopy to perform like and designed a canopy to meet those requirements. Accourding to Big Air Sportz, a Lotus flys closely to a Sabre2, but its design is not close to the Sabre2. Different designs, same end goal.
Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush

[Kris 0]

Having jumped both a Heatwave and a Stiletto I can tell you that they definitely are in the same performance class. Also, the Heatwave I jumped had a vicious amount of oversteer that took some getting used to.
If it wasn't for the manufacturing defect and the amount of time it would have taken to fix it I would have kept it instead of trading up on a new Stiletto.
Kris

[roq 0]

I, with my cobalt 85, load 2,1 to 2,2 don't have never twitchy and oversteering, by comparing with stilletos or others eliptical canopys.
My glide ratio is best than any other canopy that I know. I be of the few jumpers to arrive to DZ when have long spot. My 85 with rear risers input, have better glide ratio than stilleto 120 with equal suspend weight. I have opportunity, for several times, of doing this comparison.
Besides the cobalt doesn't have problems with turbulences and the openings are the best than I know.
roq

[allen 0]

KRIS DO YOU KNOW IS EXCESSIVE OVERSTEER
IS A COMMON PROBLEM WHICH THE HEATWAVE ?

[indyz 1]

Hey allen,
Just a little bit of forum advice: Typing in all caps is the same thing as yelling. I can count on one hand the number of questions that I have seen go unanswered in the "serious" forums (everything other than Talkback), and most of them have been in all caps. A lot of people, myself included, usually won't even bother reading it.
Just my two cents. Oh, and a smiley never hurts either.
--
Brian
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[allen 0]

i sent it that way because my computer had the caps
lock on,im not trying to yell at anyone !
i just could not be botherd to re re type it all again

[Kirils 1]

Here, here skycat!!
Skydiving is not a static excercise with discrete predictability...

[Kris 0]

Allen,
Oversteer is pretty common on all ellipticals to some degree or another. Compared to the Stiletto's I have jumped the Heatwave would probably stop about 75-90 degrees from when I let the toggle up after a hard toggle turn. The Stiletto's I have jumped stop after about 15-30 degrees.
The canopies were 190's loaded at close to 1.4:1
Kris

[skygeek 0]

Allen,
I jump a Heatwave 150 loaded at about 1.5:1 (im about 235 out the door) and I love it. I have had no problems with it at all. It opens great 600 to 800ft every time and I have not seen any oversteer at all. My Dad also jumps I Heatwave 150 and has about the same results as me. The only thing I have done was ordering it with a bigger slider.