Where are the alternatives to Pro packing???

[PhillyKev 0]

Ok, got my new Wings last week. PD reserve arrived today, going to drop them off to get packed, but still waiting for my Saber2. I'm dreading my first pack job with brand new ZP. So, I'm trying to find some links on the alternate pack methods. Specifically the Wolmari and Brent Finley's methods. I read them both last year, but have just used a straight Pro pack. Want to refresh my memory on these methods but EVERY SINGLE LINK that I can find to either of those methods is broken. Can anyone help?
cielos azules y cerveza fría
-Kevin

[nws01 0]

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What are the alternatives to Pro Packing

I hear you with the new canopies. That's why I went for the $5 to the packer. I call it the five second pack. 1$, 2$, 3$, $4, 5$.
You asked, Nathan

[PhreeZone 20]

Psycho it.
Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush

[SkydiveMonkey 0]

Psycho pack - make it a lot easier to get in the bag.
You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!!

[MarcusV 0]

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Specifically the Wolmari and Brent Finley's methods.

Hi Kevin,
The Wolmari-pack website is down at the moment, just try later. Wolmari is the nickname of Timo Kurki, a Senior Rigger. Send him an e-mail timokurki@hotmail.com and say "sinisiä taivaita" to him ;-) ( = blue skies or so...) He sure can send you pics and further info. The wolmari-pack makes sense with brandnew slippery zero-p fabric. It does NOT slow your opening but minimizes the risk of line-over mals.
Brent Finley's packing site is no longer available.
But perhaps you are interested in George Galloway's psycho-pack.
Hope I could help you out at least a bit...
Blues Marcus
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Perfect speed, my son, is being there. - Jonathan Livingston Seagull

[PhillyKev 0]

Yeah...I'm considering that one, but just wanted to take a look at the other two as well (Wolmari and Brent Finley's). I was slightly misquoted above. Not asking what the other methods are, asking where to find instructions on these 2.
cielos azules y cerveza fría
-Kevin

[PhillyKev 0]

Thanks....when the website comes back up...is it in English? Otherwise won't do me much good. I'm not worried about opening speed, just getting the damn thing in the bag. I've got about a dozen jumps on a demo with a standard propack and opening was fast but not too fast. So slowing it down a little would be fine, but not necessary either.
cielos azules y cerveza fría
-Kevin

[MarcusV 0]

Kevin,
yes, the site is in English too and with many pictures so you can't do it wrong. Wolmari-pack is a bit tricky in the beginning but you get quickly used to it.
But perhaps you are better with psycho-packing your canopy because there are more people being familiar with it, they can easily show you how to do it.
If you tried your first Wolmari-packs and still have further questions, feel free to send me a PM.
Blues Marcus
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Perfect speed, my son, is being there. - Jonathan Livingston Seagull

[MarcusV 0]

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So slowing it down a little would be fine, but not necessary either.

Psycho-pack slows openings down nicely. Wolmari-pack actually seems to accelerate the openings in comparison to a normal pro-pack. Therefore I like it very much on my Crossfire ;-)
Blues Marcus
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Perfect speed, my son, is being there. - Jonathan Livingston Seagull

[Jimbo 0]

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But perhaps you are better with psycho-packing your canopy because there are more people being familiar with it, they can easily show you how to do it.

I agree, the Psysho pack is getting more and more popular and you'll be able to get help if you need it. I know there is at least one other person at CK who is Psycho packing a SabreII 190 with no complaints. It occurs to me now that he's also putting it into a Wings. Heh.
Congrats on the new gear. -
Jim

[SkydiveMonkey 0]

Of course flat packing is always fun - especially with (new) ZP !! Tried that once - never again.
You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!!

[MarcusV 0]

Hi Kevin,
Brent Finley has a new domain: brentfinley.net - please erase the .com and insert .net instead of it.
His Z-Po-packing page with pictures is also online again, you can visit it here: http://www.brentfinley.net/packing2.htm
Hope I could help you
blues Marcus
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For the rich, there's therapy. For the rest of us, there's skydiving.

[skymedic 0]

psycho it.....easiest way(in my opinion) of getting new ZP in the bag....
marc
BSBD

[Jabeln79 0]

Just curios about pyscho packing is the only difference in Pyscho to flat packing just rolling the top of the canopy down instead of folding it. IF so is it the same way Aerodyne shows you to pack the Triathlons in the Video. IF it is then i Pyscho pack and love it . Its the easiest way i could ever get any canopy into the bag.
Blue Skies
Joe
"When they say jump you say how high" RATM

[skymedic 0]

Joe, I haven't seen the aerodyne video so kinda hard for me to know if the two are simple....basicly it is a pro pack...but you flip the pack job over once on its back...rolling it all into the middle then rolling it up into the Dbag...well not quite that easy...but easier than the pro pack...
marc
BSBD

[AndyMan 7]

The aerodyne video shows a standard propack, with rolling the nose inwards, and a technique to properly flake the stabalizer. I found it useful becuase it also showed how to do a "4 line" line check.
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[Kirils 1]

The AR video is great. I think it is better than "Pack like a Pro". The video details standard pro-pack with some great packing secrets. It's well worth the investment.
Skydiving is not a static excercise with discrete predictability...

[Jabeln79 0]

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but you flip the pack job over once on its back...rolling it all into the middle then rolling it up into the Dbag

Sorry i just cant picture this ,Stop me when im wrong please Flaking the canaopy i assume is the same. then laying on the ground with the tail down is the same, Do you still make the first S fold. WHen exactly do you flip it over without twisting the lines.
Blue Skies
Joe
"When they say jump you say how high" RATM

[PhreeZone 20]

You put the bag on upside down basicaly. No S folds, it looks like a Sleeping bag being rolled.the entire roll goes in the upside down bag, you un fil everything, and close it up. Pictures are on PA's web site.
Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush

[Kris 0]

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then laying on the ground with the tail down is the same

NO!
After you finish flaking, gather the tail and then flip the canopy 180-degrees (inducing a temporary partial line-twist) and lay it on the ground with the tail facing up! Roll the tail, squeeze out the air, fold in thirds, roll it up and put it into the D-bag (with the D-bag upside down).
Now, when you flip the D-bag right-side up to lock the first stow it will take out the 180-degree line-twist you induced when you flipped the canopy to lay it on the ground.
Go to Precision's website and they have detailed pictures and a video that you can watch.
Kris
Psycho Stiletto Packer

[councilman24 37]

I know the text descriptions of Psycho say "roll it" but it is really FOLD it. Bezzy showed us this at the last PIA symposium. If you look at the pictures at http://precision.aerodynamics.com/psycho/psysteps.htm
look where the packers hands are. The canopy is being FOLDed from the top to the lines, not rolled. This is easier to control than just rolling it like a sleeping bag. Check the pictures and you'll see what I mean.

[mountainman 0]

When I do the psycho pack, it is defenetely a roll and not a fold. I have both knees on it when I start to roll and go right up to the lines.
Psycho = roll JumpinDuo.com...come and sign the guestbook.

[Kris 0]

I have always rolled mine and so have others that I have seen do it. If you watch the video on Precision's website it definitely shows the person rolling the canopy.
The reason I started psycho packing is so that I don't have to fold my damn new slippery Stiletto. Okay, so I originally learned to pack that way but it still helps with my Stiletto...Kris

[councilman24 37]

If you watch the video closely you'll see Bezzy is actually making three distinct folds. They are onto themselves, not S folds but they are folds. He puts on hand on the canopy to fold around and folds the top or stack over. This is as opposed to putting both hands on the top of the canopy and rolling with your hands and fingers like a sleeping bag. It kind of looks like rolling but its actually folding, and easier to control.