NathanL100 0 #1 March 17, 2002 Has anyone heard of instances where the lines from the main catch on the top or exposed PC for the reserve on rigs like Reflex, Wings, Jav., etc...?Just keep your mind open and suck in the experience. And if it hurts, you know what? It's probably worth it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #2 March 17, 2002 That's a good question. I know the owner of my Drop Zone suggested that I not buy a Reflex for that reason, a few years ago. But don't listen to me because I don't know. Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #3 March 17, 2002 I send my racer to jumpshack for it's reserve repacks.. The way it comes back a line would never catch on it. It is possible for a line to catch on just about anything if your body position is bad enough at deployment. It isn't something that is really worth worrying about.. Just make it a point to be flat, stable and balanced at deployment.. Semper Fi !!!!!http://www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #4 March 17, 2002 Outside of crazy crew activities (one real gnarly instance I know of at Deland, but thats another story), I've never heard of this.Thought provokin though:- Its the million to one shot that shows up 9 times out of 10.......Although I guess its been thought about by much wiser folk than I.....CyaDIt aint what you fly, its how you fly it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #5 March 17, 2002 One of the reasons why I why I would not buy a racer.....marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #6 March 17, 2002 >I know the owner of my Drop Zone suggested that I not buy a Reflex for that reason, . . .Fliteline used to offer CRW flaps for just that reason - to reduce the possibility of snagging lines.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #7 March 17, 2002 and now bomber manufacturings Reflex II has these little flappettes on there version of the reflex standard...marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #8 March 17, 2002 I know my Dolphin is approved to be packed like a Javelin. Meaning...The bottom flap of the reserve container is closed last and put OVER the pop top. This creates a snag free surface from the bottom of the reserve container all the way up. However...I really don't think this something to be all that worried about. Good body position is crucial during deployment on any rig. Bad body position starts spinning the wheel of inumerable possibilities of deployment problems. I did hear a story of a premature (During a stand) on a wings that basically tore the reserve container almost all the way off the harness. Moral of that story.....A half Cordura BOC has to be one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen for a rig that claims to be "Free Fly Friendly" "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jussi 0 #9 March 17, 2002 "A half Cordura BOC"never seen one those.. pics?? I know the "normal" cordura boc, but i haven´theard of half cordura boc..?? More info? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #10 March 17, 2002 QuoteI know the "normal" cordura bocWell...it was probably closer to 3/4 Cordura with a Spandex strip about 1-2 inches wide at the mouth of the pouch. "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #11 March 17, 2002 That is actually one of the better BOC designs there is as long as the spandex at the mouth is nice and tight. The codura wears better and does not cause half the problems as a full spandex BOC can. If the spandex at the mounth was not maintined, then its not a design error, more like a user error....I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend... ~3EB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #12 March 17, 2002 Yeah....I see what they were trying to do. I'll still take a full Spandex pouch though....Thanks...."I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jussi 0 #13 March 17, 2002 "1-2 inches wide at the mouth of the pouch"just spandex on the mouth? i haven´t seen one of those, we have somewings rigs on our DZ, and the cordura boc just kicks ass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #14 March 17, 2002 Quotejust spandex on the mouth?Yes....a Cordura pocket with spandex at the mouth of the pouch. It's supposed to grip the P/C and keep it inside the pouch until it is deployed. Just my .02 C but I wouldn't jump one. "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #15 March 18, 2002 As for tearing off the reserve container when you deploy in a standup. It is not unique to Wings.I have repaired Flexon, Talon, Sidewinder, Strong Tandem, Telesis and Vector contianers that were deployed at unusual angles or by "non-conforming students." I have also mailed a couple of Javelins back the factory for the same repairs. Beginning skyboarders are also bad for tearing containers.Any time you deploy any container - in a position that risks snagging a main riser under the corner of the reserve container - you risk tearing the reserve container off the pack tray. The only containers that seriously address this phenomenon are the EOS and the latest Sidewinders. Older Sidewinders can be retro-fitted with side flap extensions to reduce the risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #16 March 18, 2002 QuoteIt is not unique to Wings.I was more pointing to the design flaw of the BOC. Yeah.....if you deploy in a stand....it is likely to tear up your container.....IF thats all that happens...."I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jussi 0 #17 March 18, 2002 When was the container made? And was the boc madeby Sunrise Riggings? i haven´t heard of suchboc´s (by SRi)that have just spandex on the mouth, and one guy in my dzhas a very early d.o.m Wings, and it has boc made of corduraonly.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 March 18, 2002 Quotecorduraonly..That is just plain dangerous......IMHO of course... "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jussi 0 #19 March 18, 2002 oops, i meant that the mouth has elastic band "inside" the cordura. i hope you understand what i mean.damn my english sucks sometimes.....:( Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #20 March 18, 2002 I like full spandex pouchs. It's the only thing I jump. Substituting Cordura just so it doesn't wear out is dumb IMHO. Every inch of Cordura means less grip on the PC. No thanks!!"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #21 March 18, 2002 Clay... the only thing that is holding your PC really in is the mouth of the BOC. My old BOC was puckered in 5000 different places due to it being spandex and the PC would float in the BOC, but since the mouth was really tight I never really had to worry about it. The Codura is the same way. It has a really tight mouth and thats what holds the PC in place. If the PC is not packed deep enough in it, then its more packing error then design problem. All you need to do is make sure the PC is beyond the Spandex mouth and the Codura works better then an all Spandex BOC.I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend... ~3EB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #22 March 18, 2002 QuoteMy old BOC was puckered in 5000 different places due to it being spandexMine started to get that way too. I replaced it.......much to the arguing of the rigger but he finally broke down. If the Spandex is in good shape it grips the entire PC not just closing it off at the mouth. If your spandex is weak and just a little comes out at 200 MPH you're done!!! Prudent rigging will save you many an injury and maybe even your life. "If he had rigged it right in the first place, he wouldn't have had that problem!" -Chuck BlueJust one of the many pearls of wisdom I learned from Chuck. "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
