ekezick 0 #1 May 28, 2002 Why Spectre –170 has the packing value on 20% larger then Sabre? For example - Spectre 170 has value 455 cu.in. !!! , but Sabre 170 – only 364… As I know Spectre is a 7cells and should be a bit smaller… or no? It is larger than 7 cell Triathlon even! I have Tri-190 at present and that fits to my container very tight. I was about downsizing to Spectre-170 but have founded out that Sp-170 is bigger than Tri-190 per 59 cu.in !!! Why??? I don't understand... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 May 28, 2002 Where did you get the numbers you are presenting here? I think the numbers are off a bit....If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ekezick 0 #3 May 28, 2002 >Where did you get the numbers you are presenting here? Everywhere… for examples:http://www.paragear.comhttp://www.square1.comhttp://www.my-skyworld.comand somewhere else…Thanks for responseEric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #4 May 28, 2002 Spectre 170 - 475 (my-skyworld)Tri 190 - 396 - (para-gear.com) Let's go play chicken with a planet !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ekezick 0 #5 May 28, 2002 correct is Spectre 170 - 455 (my-skyworld)...but Tri-190 is right - 396... that is why 455 - 396 = 59 cu in :(( It isn't really - press in my contayner so bigger canopy... Although I have Tri190 now and think about smaller Spectre ...170... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 May 28, 2002 From PIA's charts compiled by Sandy Reid:Manufacturer Model DOM Volume AreaAERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 190 94/07 509 196PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 170 97/07 455 N/AIf once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #7 May 28, 2002 Those would be the most reliable numbers, and seem pretty accurate. As a general rule of thumb, published pack volumes are notoriously inaccurate. If you look at the numbers for a Sabre and a Stiletto of the same size in the back of Para-Gear, they say that the Stiletto packs larger than the Sabre, but anyone who has packed both side by side knows that a Stiletto packs smaller than Sabre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ekezick 0 #8 May 28, 2002 My Tri-190 is 98/02 and I think it really has volume 396, because my rig was created for Stilleto-170 (volume 385 cu in)… That couldn't be 509…. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #9 May 28, 2002 Don't forget to figure in the Aspect Ratio....Then pack a Spectre and Sabre2 of the same size. You'll notice the difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ekezick 0 #10 May 28, 2002 to Shark: What will be bigger in reality – Spectre or Sabre-2 ? We haven’t any Spectre in our club and I really don’t know… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #11 May 28, 2002 >My Tri-190 is 98/02 and I think it really has volume 396, because my rig was >created for Stilleto-170 (volume 385 cu in)… That couldn't be 509….I'm not sure you can conclude that. In my experience, two rigs of identical manufacture, designed to fit the same canopies, made a few years apart can have two different true capacities. Triathalons are notorious for varying in pack volume; I have a 135 that packs larger than a Sabre 150, and I used a Tri-150 for a little while that packed _smaller_ than the Sabre 150. Go figure.It's very hard to say with any certianty that canopy X will fit container Y, but canopy Z will not. It depends on age of the canopies, the container, the skill of the packer, the bulk of the canopy, the type of lines, etc etc. Everything else being equal, the PIA chart seems to be closest to reality in terms of comparing the pack volume of two different canopies.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #12 May 29, 2002 I'm not certain of the packing volume of either Spectre or Sabre2. Just from packing each, the Sabre2 is much easier to S-fold and place in the d-bag. Again, Aspect ratio. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #13 May 29, 2002 >Everything else being equal, the PIA chart seems to be closest to reality> in terms of comparing the pack volume of two different canopies.So where did they get the values for this chart(is it available anywhere on the Net?)? I thought PD stopped giving pack-volume values as there is no reliable way of measuring them? I remember reading in Poynter's manual that the values vary a lot between one individual canopy and another(with same type and size), and even between two measurements of the same canopy?Erno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #14 May 29, 2002 >So where did they get the values for this chartSandy Reid and company did most of the measurement. As he's a rig manufacturer, I think he tends to be less biased than canopy manufacturers.>(is it available anywhere on the Net?)http://people.qualcomm.com/billvon/canopy_vols.html>I thought PD stopped giving pack-volume values as there is no reliable way of >measuring them? Well, but you still have to figure out what will fit in what rig. That's what the PIA list at least attempts to do.>I remember reading in Poynter's manual that the values vary a lot between one> individual canopy and another(with same type and size), and even between two> measurements of the same canopy?Definitely - I have that Tri-135 that packs bigger than a Tri-150, due (I was told) to a batch of bulky blue fabric. Even in the PIA lists, Amigo 152's range from 330-380 and PD260's range from 545 to 650 cu in. Tri-135's range from 356-560 cu in! One of the nice things about the PIA list is that you can see what range of sizes are out there.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ekezick 0 #15 May 30, 2002 Thanks to all for responses!Unfortunately, I didn’t find my canopy (Tri-190 98/02) in Sandy’s chart. Looks I have simple to buy a new canopy (Spectre-170) later and in case if it will not fit in my container – to change the container. Only the practical experience may help here… Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #16 May 30, 2002 You could get a demo Spectre 170 from PD and see if it fits in your rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ekezick 0 #17 May 30, 2002 Oh yes...demo canopies... A "small" problem is here - I'm living in Eastern Europe....Latvia... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #18 May 30, 2002 QuoteI'm living in Eastern Europe....Latvia...Then you can ask what it'll fit.I had a triathlon 190 in a Javelin J-3. I also had a specter 170, a stiletto 170, a safire 170, plus a bunch of 150's. The only one that didn't fit was a heatwave 150, which was too small.What brand of container are you getting?Once you decide which canopy you want, email the container manufacturers and tell them what main you're buying. They'll size the container for it._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
