jaybird 0 #1 June 10, 2002 i got my new crossfire 2, and it rocks. its zippy, fast, great flare/surf, and good on long spot. only put about 12 jumps on it this weekend, will give more info as i jump it more.but you should demo one for yourself. jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdrew20012001 0 #2 June 10, 2002 Did you ever jump a crossfire? What is the difference between the two of them?Drewfus McDoofus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #3 June 10, 2002 I also put 12 jumps on my new crossfire2 this weekend.. I am jumping a 97 at 1.85..The difference between the old and new? New is 20% better all around to make a long story short. Not sure how they did it but this canopy kicks absolute ass..Anyone jumping a crossfire2.. A few quick observations.. LOOSEN THE CHEST STRAP!! If you don't the canopy becomes succeptable to turbulence and such.. Loosen up that strap, bring the slider down and you feel NOTHING!!! Huge difference.. I did 10 hop-n-pops this weekend under my new crossfire2, in the seat above 14k every time.. Had a dog fight with a Xaos27-68.. I COULD KEEP UP Rear riser input is phenominal.. Xaos was using toggles I was pulling down slightly on one rear riser and leaning in the harness and flying with him easily. The best glide on this thing is with brakes out spreading the rear risers, just pushing them apart, "thanks kat".. Started 180, degree hook-n-dives at 700 feet to begin with and by jump 5 I was around 450.. My chest hurts like hell from hanging from those front risers. Apparently I need to get a little stronger if I want to dive longer.. It dives very nicely, carves nicely, bottom end is GREAT!! Although if you come in with anything less than full energy you are going to have to work and run.. Longest swoops I have ever had without even trying.. This canopy is very fast and very fun. More to come as I think about it..Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmcvey 0 #4 June 10, 2002 oh dear... i found myself beginning to drowl while reading your post.Oh well, a spectre 150 @ 1:1 will have to do............ for now! (/evil laugh)BSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 June 10, 2002 > New is 20% better all around to make a long story short. How did you reach this number? Can you prove that it glides 20% further, opens 20% better, etc?A quote from John LeBlanc that I read struck me as very true recently... he basically said that you don't really understand the basics of any canopy design till you have at least 100 jumps under it and you don't really push a canopy to the limit till you have a few hunderd on it. He's done things under canopy that I can't imagine myself ever doing such as a complete vertical barrel roll.... I've learned recently at the DZ that unless someone has a bunch of jumps on a specific canopy.... they really don't have the info to paint a true picture on a canopy to others.If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #6 June 10, 2002 With the 14 jumps I have made so far on that canopy.. 12 of which have been 14k hop-n-pops I have plenty of canopy time to give an opinion on the performance..Where do I get 20% from?It turns AT LEAST 30% faster than the Crossfire1It dives AT LEAST 20% longer than the original crossfire1 with less effort.Rear risers respond a good 30% faster and more abruptly. And I mean ABRUPTLY. Fast and furious.My 97 lands better than the 109 I was jumping. It is faster. The glide flattens VERY nicely. Carves are a good 20% better than the original..This is my observation. An accurate VERY ACCURATE one at that. If you don't agree then jump the 2 different crossfires at comparable wing loadings yourself and post differently. But don't go throwing John LeBlanc at me saying he said this. He said that. So far, the 14 jumps I have made I've logged more canopy time, flat turns, rear risering, flares, harness movements, carves, rear riser stalls, and so on and so forth on that canopy than most people that would have made 50 jumps on it. People mock what they don't understand..Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #7 June 10, 2002 Post deleted by ChromeBoy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad 0 #8 June 10, 2002 >This is not to make fun of anyone this is a serious question >because people could and do get hurt with these attitudes.I do not agree. Rhino is just sharing his experience on the new canopy. He is neither recommending it for the beginners, nor suggesting, that Crossfire does not require canopy proffiecency. I found his reviews for both Crossfires pretty valuable.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #9 June 10, 2002 You missed the point, which is you probably shouldn't take advice on extreme canopy choices from someone with two hundred jumps, is extremely uncurrent, and jumps at a wingloading approaching that of some of the best pilots in the world._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #10 June 10, 2002 "What is the difference between the two of them?"Crossfires I have jumped:Crossfire I’s: 104, 109, 116, 134Crossfire 2’s: 89, 108, 149The differences I noticed:The openings were better on the 2’s, if that is possible. Turns on the 2’s are definitely faster than the original. The Crossfire 2, 89 sq ft begged to be carved in the swoop, very sensitive to toggle input. They also have more oversteer, but I didn’t think the original had much oversteer. The 2’s seemed to have a longer recovery arc. Normal full flight speed seemed to be about the same with the 2’s having a higher top end, probably due to the longer recovery arc. The 89 really surprised me with how much performance it had.Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird 0 #11 June 10, 2002 i also have a crossfire 149 that was not on any of the mod lists. i have several jumps on various sizes of the crossfire1. i have jumped 149, 129, 119, 109, 99. i have only 12 jumps on my crossfire2 105, but this is my first impressions. the 2 turns quicker, very snappy turns. hard 360 toggle turns are more like a barrel roll than a turn. i could see the nearly the entire landing zone over the top of my canopy. the toggle stroke is also shorter than the 1. great flare, and surf with nice shut down. builds speed very nicely with a slow carve. great on long spots too. when i get more jumps on this canopy, i will write a more in depth review in the gear section. jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prost 0 #12 June 11, 2002 Dereck,Have you juped many FX s? If so how would you compare the crossfire 2 to an FX? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #13 June 11, 2002 I put 831 jumps on an FX-70 and 25 on an FX-79. Crossbraced canopies out perform non-crossbraced canopies any day of the week. FX is a higher perfomance canopy than a Crossfire 2, all other things being equal.Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #14 June 11, 2002 Andyman? Were you referencing me? 200 jumps and uncurrent??And, MAYBE you should see me under canopy before you make assumptions as to my ability. As vlad stated "thank you vlad" I was stating what I observed in flight.If you want to jump the crossfire2 at 1.85 then that is your choice. I for one get complete enjoyment from it and love the control the canopy gives me. Have you even flown a canopy at 1.85? Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,059 #15 June 11, 2002 >You missed the point, which is you probably shouldn't take advice on extreme> canopy choices from someone with two hundred jumps----------------------------------------------------------------------------->Andyman? Were you referencing me? 200 jumps and uncurrent??>If you want to jump the crossfire2 at 1.85 then that is your choice. I for one >get complete enjoyment from it and love the control the canopy gives me. Have> you even flown a canopy at 1.85? Rather than trading barbs, perhaps if you both simply stated your experience levels, your opinions, and let people judge for themselves whose advice to take.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #16 June 11, 2002 Rhino, Andy was referring to my post. I posted that about you because I feel that you will seriously injure yourself very soon.QuoteHave you even flown a canopy at 1.85?No, with almost the same number of jumps as you have and the canopies you fly I have not. Why, because I am not that ignorant. Oh well. Have fun and enjoy life the way you want. Please just do us all a favor and do not make ANY recommendations to other skydivers. Let them figure it out themselves until you have the knowledge and experience to back it up.This is not, although it might seem to be, a personal attack. I am just looking out for people new to the sport that look at these threads for coaching. For which they were meant.Blue Happiness Stuff,Chrome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #17 June 11, 2002 QuoteRather than trading barbs, perhaps if you both simply stated your experience levels, your opinions, and let people judge for themselves whose advice to take.I think that is all illustrated in this post.I thought I would take this opportunity to post the canopy progresion of J.C. Colclasure's canopy progresion, from Parachutist Feb2002:Manta 240: 15 jump Sabre 210: 40 jumps Sabre 190: 100 jumps Sabre 170: 60 jumps Sabre 150: 100 jumps Stiletto 150: 900 jumps Stiletto 135: 200 jumps Stiletto 120: 300 jumps FX 115: 1000 jumps FX 112: 1000 jumps VX 94: 1500 jumpsAn awesome canopy pilot isn't born over night. Even JC took the time to get training and learn the canopy._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #18 June 11, 2002 QuoteNo, with almost the same number of jumps as you have and the canopies you fly I have not. Why, because I am not that ignorant. Have you considered that there are some people who just 'get it'? It's easy to sit back and play armchair quarterback, judging him without having seen him fly. The reality is that most people don't have the skill to fly a highly loaded high performance canopy at 300 jumps, but there are a select few who can, let's call the naturals. Now, I've never seen Rhino jump either, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #19 June 11, 2002 QuoteHave you considered that there are some people who just 'get it'? It's easy to sit back and play armchair quarterback, judging him without having seen him fly.The last time I saw someone here write something like that, it was Chris Weber. He died two weeks ago under a perfectly funtioning Vengence loaded at about 1.8. He had about 270 jumps.I do know there's people out there who really do "get it". They're NOT the ones jumping tiny mains at low experience levels._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #20 June 11, 2002 Maybe JC isnt a natural canopy pilot... maybe he needed to take all this time on boring canopies like stilettos loaded at 1.5... maybe rhino is more of a natural.... you just never know, do you....RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #21 June 11, 2002 QuoteI'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.When getting advice over the internet, TRUST NO ONE!... picking a canopy could be a life and death decision... this is all information and unquantified opinions that should be filed away in one's brain as background for asking questions from people you know and have a basis for trusting... no one should make a canopy choice based only on information posted here... seek advice from people who have seen you fly and know your abilities.In God we trust, all others must prove themselves.http://www.aerialfusion.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #22 June 11, 2002 Chrome, Again, you haven't seen me under canopy. Of my some 300 odd jumps at least 100 have been hop-n-pops from altitude. I am a STUDENT of canopy flight.. I love it.. That is why I goto the dz.. To fly a parachute and to constantly improve under canopy. I don't remember making any recommendations to anyone?? But I do suggest you stay big until you are ready to downsize.... Andy,There you go posting someone elses experience.. Do you have any of your own to share with the rest of the class?? At least I am sharing MY experience not everyone elses. I am not a pro but I am a damn good pilot for 300 skydives. and TO ME flying my crossfire2, 97 at 1.85 is not insane. I WILL NOT HURT MYSELF, and it is very easy to fly. It is easier to fly and land than a triathlon150 at 1.2. It's a different beast, if you haven't tamed the beast you and others need to quit getting personal and mocking.. I'll be at Rantoul, you can see me fly with my whopping 300 jumps and make an educated comment for yourself.. I'm not sitting back saying hey, you have a penis, Joe Bob raped some chick a month ago so you are going to rape some chick next. That is what you are doing to me.. Saying because someone else has done it I am sure to do it.. I'll bet my ass that I never will. And I will get better in 1000 jumps, and I will go smaller and I will have more fun.. And you will still think I am crazy. But that's o.k. I will still be doing hop-n-pops racking up more canopy time than God himself because it is what I love to do.For those of you in my defense MUCH appreciated. It is nice to see.. I'm going down to the lake to take my son bass fishing now Chrome, Andy, While you are in here bickering I'm going to go fly some more and get even better Rhino n Son Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #23 June 11, 2002 JD, Once again I did not say GO BUY A CROSSFIRE2 at 1.85 and HAVE FUN!!!!I was telling you and others what I experienced under that canopy..Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #24 June 11, 2002 QuoteI WILL NOT HURT MYSELFDo you realize you've typed that? Putting asside any wingloading issue, are you sure you understand skydiving?RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #25 June 11, 2002 and I did not make any reference to your post at all, now go fishinghttp://www.aerialfusion.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
