fyredncr 0 #1 June 14, 2002 I'm a new jumper hoping to buy a rig in the winter for next season but have no idea where to start, currently I jump with rigs from the school i jump at. Mainly I want to know what size main I should be looking for, I'm 5'3" and about 160lbs any help would be greatly appreciated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 June 14, 2002 How good are your landings? Do you like playing under canopy or do you err on the safe side? The best people to ask would be your instructors, and see what they say. Adrenaline Junkie Skydive Monkey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #3 June 14, 2002 Manta.Can't go wrong with a Manta.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engovatov 0 #4 June 14, 2002 > Can't go wrong with a MantaI remember somebody made a new door in a barn under it.. ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #5 June 14, 2002 At 160lbs with typical newbie gear you're looking at a 185-190lb exit weight. A Spectre 210 would work well, as would a Triathalon 220. These are good sizes to begin learning how canopies fly. I'd strongly recommend getting used gear, since you will probably downsize eventually. Basically just about any 200-230 sq ft ZP canopy, either square or slightly elliptical, will work for you.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #6 June 14, 2002 Have a look at this Adrenaline Junkie Skydive Monkey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #7 June 15, 2002 Some good info here too. pull & flare,lisa"Try not. Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda sez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #8 June 16, 2002 QuoteCan't go wrong with a Manta.I know (hope) you're kidding, but I don't think it's true. I've made 2 jumps on a manta 288 loaded at around .45. I thought the lack of control was kind of scary. I'm sure the length of the brake lines can be changed, but on the one I jumped they were completely slack until my hands were below my shoulders. It flew like a bus. The flare was so weak I think I coulda pulled down only one toggle and still landed ok. I definitely didn't like the way it felt. I was coming in a little high so I did some S-turns on final. Full toggle inputs down to maybe 50 feet, just to get it to turn at all. Thank goodness I don't have to rent anymore.Davehttp://www.skydivingmovies.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #9 June 17, 2002 I think you could find examples of somebody having an accident on pretty much any canopy ever made. That does not make it a bogus canopy.I think the point was that he should be looking for something on the docile and ultra-forgiving side.Never having jumped a Manta, I'll refrain from offering any ideas on it. I would endorse a Triathlon however. MHOJJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 June 17, 2002 Most student Manta's are "detuned" so that a student can'nt stall it or spirl the canopy on thier first jumps. The regular canopy turns slow, but a whole lot faster then a deturned one. Detuning also adds a lot of length to the brakes so that when the student suddenly flares at 20 feet.... (like most do) they just have to hold it and it sinks right down to the ground instead of stalling on them.Drop the tube...DROP the tube... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #11 June 17, 2002 QuoteMost student Manta's are "detuned" so that a student can'nt stall it or spirl the canopy on thier first jumpsThis seems like a bad idea. Seems that it is going to enough work transitioning from a big canopy with the proper brake line settings to a smaller canopy. Why add in the fact that that larger canopy isn't flying like it was designed to in the first place?If the "student" doesn't want to know how to flare and turn his canopy properly, then he should be doing a tandem, where the TI isn't going to let him make a poor decision with his toggles.I know the student canopies at my DZ aren't "detuned".The 4th paperclip didn't say much, but I could tell that it was still the smartass of the bunch... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 June 17, 2002 If you follow a normal student progression with detuned canopies, you jump that on jump 1-5 then transation to a non-detuned but same size canopy for jump 6-10. The injury rate on first jumpers is lessened by detuning and taking the greatest error point on the first jump and miminizing it. I've heard of or seen Safires detuned, Spectre's, Sabres (very good thing to detune), Manta's and every make of canopy that most places use as the first canopy.>If the "student" doesn't want to know how to flare and turn his canopy properly, then he should be doing a tandem, where the TI isn't going to let him make a poor decision with his toggles.Thats funny... the ISP is built around tandems as a first jump to build up canopy and freefall awareness in a controlled environment. And if you watch AFF students land, they never are perfect on thier first jump. Most jumpers are still shakey on jump 5 or 6 on making a nice even controlled flare at the exact height to allow for that picture perfect tip toe landing.>I know the student canopies at my DZ aren't "detuned".Have you asked the rigger that hooked the canopies up on this one? Most places might surprize you a bit...Drop the tube...DROP the tube... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
