LawnDart21 0 #1 June 25, 2002 Just wanted to share my weekend with you guys on my new Cobalt that I am jumping. I had been jumping it for a few weeks, always seeing good results in flaring and getting nice surfs with it. The only problem I was seeing was that hooking on risers was closing off the tail on the same side because of the initial length of the brake lines. I had my rigger add 2 inches, and that improved the situation, but I still saw some closure on the tail in my hooks, so I add another 2 inches.....yup, added four full inches in total to my brake lines. I was nervous the thing wouldn't flare very well with four inches, but let me let you,I WAS WRONG. This canopy has to be the SWEETEST canopy I have ever flown. It flies PERFECTLY now, builds a ton of speed on dives, planes out real nice and still has a TON of flare left, even with 4 more inches in the brake lines. The 4 jumps I made this weekend with the longer brake lines were the best swoops I have ever had. LOVE THE CANOPY! THANKS DAN!!!! "I live to EFS" TOM -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #2 June 25, 2002 Cool, mine is doing the same thing. I am going to talk with my rigger and add some leingth to the break lines. I love this canopy. i am loading it at @ 1.8 and i am able to land it streight in, with a good run.HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #3 June 25, 2002 I set the brake lines VERY long on my Cobalts. Actually, I have only ever jumped one (a 105) that had them shorter than I like in it's stock configuration. Still, don't sweat having to lengthen them to get them just the way you like. Different length risers and the length of a person's arms makes a difference in the "feel" of a canopy. In my opinion, it's much better to fly a "too loose" canopy than a "too tight" one, especially if you are riser-diving to final. Chuck Team Atair Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #4 June 26, 2002 You shouldn't need to run at all in a straight in?? Dan? Am I wrong? I can fly my crossfire2, 97 at 1.85 straight in and come to a complete stop.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #5 June 26, 2002 But Rhino remember you are a 200 jump wonder Canopy God because all you do is hop and pops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramon 0 #6 June 26, 2002 Sounds like someone told you a long time ago to complete your flare.... Smooth application of toggles and flaring all the way (which I happen to know 60% of the jumpers at my DZ don't do) can make a difference."Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.", Ambrose Bierce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #7 June 26, 2002 at 2.1 i land straight in all the time without taking a single step. when i go the next size down i am pushing 2.4 and have a hard time landing straight in without running. it depends on your skill level. i have watched many of our guys consistantly land straight in no steps at loadings up to 3.1 sincerely, dan atairDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #8 June 26, 2002 Keep your personal antics in the talk back forum. In case you don't know personal attacks aren't welcomed here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nws01 0 #9 June 26, 2002 Rhino that wasn't a personal attack. This is what you have said many times in other threads I was just reminding you why you can do this and other people can't! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites landmissle 2 #10 June 26, 2002 Hi all, Well, I'm obviously preaching to the choir here, but, I've got to pipe in that I love my Cobalt 150. I've had it about 6 months now and loading it at 1.45. It's my second canopy and the succesor to the Safire 169 I orinally had. I think it was a great "upgrade". Not knocking the Safire pilots out there either, it was a great canopy for me at the time. So....(and tis is slightly O/T) why does there seem to be an under-current that Cobalt pilots are either fanatical or "closed minded". I've seen several post that either explicitly stated or aluded to that feeling. I don't get it? I guess, it's par for the course for me. It seems I'm always falling into the "radical fringe" whether it be politics, religion, or computer operating systems. Oh well, at least I'm consistent! Feet up, heads down, blue skies, WWOD? LandmissleFeet up, heads down, blue skies WWOD? Landmissle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #11 June 26, 2002 And I am a 300 jump wonder damnit.. lol O.K. you are off the hook I love my crossfire2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JJohnson 0 #12 June 27, 2002 We Cobalt jumpers are being singled out man. All you mainstream canopy pilots are like picking on us. You PD and Icarus people have us so sterotyped, next thing we'll have to ride in back of jumpship. JJJJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites f1freak 0 #13 June 27, 2002 QuoteCool, mine is doing the same thing. I am going to talk with my rigger and add some leingth to the break lines. I love this canopy. i am loading it at @ 1.8 and i am able to land it streight in, with a good run. im probably not finishing my flare.HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrHixxx 0 #14 June 27, 2002 Someone please buy my Cobalt 120! 175 jumps, neon yellow, black and silver, great condition! -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LawnDart21 0 #15 June 27, 2002 Re: "Someone please buy my Cobalt 120! 175 jumps, neon yellow, black and silver, great condition!" You left out "and ugly as HELL!!!!" LOLOLOLOLOLOL -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrHixxx 0 #16 June 27, 2002 QuoteYou left out "and ugly as HELL!!!!" LOLOLOLOLOLOL Yup it is, which makes it repel the ground so it surfs longer.death,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IronMike 0 #17 July 18, 2002 A Cobalt will absoulutely be my next canopy. I am not sure whether it will be a 150, 135 or a 120. I am going to demo a 150 all day tomorrow. The main reason I want one is the added safety of a safe deployment head down at 200mph. I had a good friend bail out of his Sukhoi 29 after the elevator bellcrank bolt worked its way out. ( He was straight down at 280 knots). His round chute disinigrated. A leader in the emergency chute business, Manly Butler, has a chute equipped with what he calls the "sombrero slider". Basically it is an advanced slider that wont let the round fully deploy at too high an airspeed. This system would have saved my friend. (I still have one and no airplne if anyone need one)I have grabbed a wad of pilot chute as well as the hackey too many times to be sure I will never have a premature deployment. I am currently jumping a Sabre 2 150 at about 1.4. I can front riser it and get a great surf. I am thinking of lengthening the brake lines about 3" beacause the tail deflects at about 3" when I pull the risers to my chest. I think I am going to be a front riser advocate. I can get one hell of a surf on calm days already with my brakes too short and I cant imagine how good it will be if I lengthen my brake lines. It is so much easier to bail on front risers and it is almost as much fun with a fraction of the risk. Yes, Sabre 2 openings are unpredictable as hell, but after it is open, the canopy kicks ass. I just want the added safety of the Cobalt. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #18 July 18, 2002 Well...in my miniscule experience of owning 2 PD canopies I have added about 4 inches to the brake lines on both. The first was a PD 190 and the next was a Stilletto 170. For some reason it seems that manufacturers like to set the brakes "too short." It's good to see I'm not alone in thinking this. I didn't even like straight in landings with the brakes at factory settings and riser turns are impossible. The Stilletto turned into a rodeo bull when doing riser turns with the brakes that short. I have just gone to a policy of ...Jump it once with the brakes where they are.....then add 4 inches and it'll be perfect. I almost want to do it before I jump it the first time....but that wouldn't be smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grosfion 0 #19 July 19, 2002 _________________________________________________ QuoteA Cobalt will absoulutely be my next canopy. I am not sure whether it will be a 150, 135 or a 120. I am going to demo a 150 all day tomorrow. The main reason I want one is the added safety of a safe deployment head down at 200mph. I just want the added safety of the Cobalt. _______________________________________________ That's perfect advertisenment, you don't need to demo a canopy any more when you are already convinced from the quality of the product. RIGHT? Marcus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #20 July 19, 2002 Don't rely on something like this to save your ass... The staged openings are nice... but they can fail if not packed right and its a harder opening... better then a Sabre... but not by much if the staging fails.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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nws01 0 #9 June 26, 2002 Rhino that wasn't a personal attack. This is what you have said many times in other threads I was just reminding you why you can do this and other people can't! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
landmissle 2 #10 June 26, 2002 Hi all, Well, I'm obviously preaching to the choir here, but, I've got to pipe in that I love my Cobalt 150. I've had it about 6 months now and loading it at 1.45. It's my second canopy and the succesor to the Safire 169 I orinally had. I think it was a great "upgrade". Not knocking the Safire pilots out there either, it was a great canopy for me at the time. So....(and tis is slightly O/T) why does there seem to be an under-current that Cobalt pilots are either fanatical or "closed minded". I've seen several post that either explicitly stated or aluded to that feeling. I don't get it? I guess, it's par for the course for me. It seems I'm always falling into the "radical fringe" whether it be politics, religion, or computer operating systems. Oh well, at least I'm consistent! Feet up, heads down, blue skies, WWOD? LandmissleFeet up, heads down, blue skies WWOD? Landmissle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #11 June 26, 2002 And I am a 300 jump wonder damnit.. lol O.K. you are off the hook I love my crossfire2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JJohnson 0 #12 June 27, 2002 We Cobalt jumpers are being singled out man. All you mainstream canopy pilots are like picking on us. You PD and Icarus people have us so sterotyped, next thing we'll have to ride in back of jumpship. JJJJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites f1freak 0 #13 June 27, 2002 QuoteCool, mine is doing the same thing. I am going to talk with my rigger and add some leingth to the break lines. I love this canopy. i am loading it at @ 1.8 and i am able to land it streight in, with a good run. im probably not finishing my flare.HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrHixxx 0 #14 June 27, 2002 Someone please buy my Cobalt 120! 175 jumps, neon yellow, black and silver, great condition! -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LawnDart21 0 #15 June 27, 2002 Re: "Someone please buy my Cobalt 120! 175 jumps, neon yellow, black and silver, great condition!" You left out "and ugly as HELL!!!!" LOLOLOLOLOLOL -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrHixxx 0 #16 June 27, 2002 QuoteYou left out "and ugly as HELL!!!!" LOLOLOLOLOLOL Yup it is, which makes it repel the ground so it surfs longer.death,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IronMike 0 #17 July 18, 2002 A Cobalt will absoulutely be my next canopy. I am not sure whether it will be a 150, 135 or a 120. I am going to demo a 150 all day tomorrow. The main reason I want one is the added safety of a safe deployment head down at 200mph. I had a good friend bail out of his Sukhoi 29 after the elevator bellcrank bolt worked its way out. ( He was straight down at 280 knots). His round chute disinigrated. A leader in the emergency chute business, Manly Butler, has a chute equipped with what he calls the "sombrero slider". Basically it is an advanced slider that wont let the round fully deploy at too high an airspeed. This system would have saved my friend. (I still have one and no airplne if anyone need one)I have grabbed a wad of pilot chute as well as the hackey too many times to be sure I will never have a premature deployment. I am currently jumping a Sabre 2 150 at about 1.4. I can front riser it and get a great surf. I am thinking of lengthening the brake lines about 3" beacause the tail deflects at about 3" when I pull the risers to my chest. I think I am going to be a front riser advocate. I can get one hell of a surf on calm days already with my brakes too short and I cant imagine how good it will be if I lengthen my brake lines. It is so much easier to bail on front risers and it is almost as much fun with a fraction of the risk. Yes, Sabre 2 openings are unpredictable as hell, but after it is open, the canopy kicks ass. I just want the added safety of the Cobalt. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #18 July 18, 2002 Well...in my miniscule experience of owning 2 PD canopies I have added about 4 inches to the brake lines on both. The first was a PD 190 and the next was a Stilletto 170. For some reason it seems that manufacturers like to set the brakes "too short." It's good to see I'm not alone in thinking this. I didn't even like straight in landings with the brakes at factory settings and riser turns are impossible. The Stilletto turned into a rodeo bull when doing riser turns with the brakes that short. I have just gone to a policy of ...Jump it once with the brakes where they are.....then add 4 inches and it'll be perfect. I almost want to do it before I jump it the first time....but that wouldn't be smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites grosfion 0 #19 July 19, 2002 _________________________________________________ QuoteA Cobalt will absoulutely be my next canopy. I am not sure whether it will be a 150, 135 or a 120. I am going to demo a 150 all day tomorrow. The main reason I want one is the added safety of a safe deployment head down at 200mph. I just want the added safety of the Cobalt. _______________________________________________ That's perfect advertisenment, you don't need to demo a canopy any more when you are already convinced from the quality of the product. RIGHT? Marcus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #20 July 19, 2002 Don't rely on something like this to save your ass... The staged openings are nice... but they can fail if not packed right and its a harder opening... better then a Sabre... but not by much if the staging fails.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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JJohnson 0 #12 June 27, 2002 We Cobalt jumpers are being singled out man. All you mainstream canopy pilots are like picking on us. You PD and Icarus people have us so sterotyped, next thing we'll have to ride in back of jumpship. JJJJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #13 June 27, 2002 QuoteCool, mine is doing the same thing. I am going to talk with my rigger and add some leingth to the break lines. I love this canopy. i am loading it at @ 1.8 and i am able to land it streight in, with a good run. im probably not finishing my flare.HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #14 June 27, 2002 Someone please buy my Cobalt 120! 175 jumps, neon yellow, black and silver, great condition! -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawnDart21 0 #15 June 27, 2002 Re: "Someone please buy my Cobalt 120! 175 jumps, neon yellow, black and silver, great condition!" You left out "and ugly as HELL!!!!" LOLOLOLOLOLOL -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #16 June 27, 2002 QuoteYou left out "and ugly as HELL!!!!" LOLOLOLOLOLOL Yup it is, which makes it repel the ground so it surfs longer.death,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronMike 0 #17 July 18, 2002 A Cobalt will absoulutely be my next canopy. I am not sure whether it will be a 150, 135 or a 120. I am going to demo a 150 all day tomorrow. The main reason I want one is the added safety of a safe deployment head down at 200mph. I had a good friend bail out of his Sukhoi 29 after the elevator bellcrank bolt worked its way out. ( He was straight down at 280 knots). His round chute disinigrated. A leader in the emergency chute business, Manly Butler, has a chute equipped with what he calls the "sombrero slider". Basically it is an advanced slider that wont let the round fully deploy at too high an airspeed. This system would have saved my friend. (I still have one and no airplne if anyone need one)I have grabbed a wad of pilot chute as well as the hackey too many times to be sure I will never have a premature deployment. I am currently jumping a Sabre 2 150 at about 1.4. I can front riser it and get a great surf. I am thinking of lengthening the brake lines about 3" beacause the tail deflects at about 3" when I pull the risers to my chest. I think I am going to be a front riser advocate. I can get one hell of a surf on calm days already with my brakes too short and I cant imagine how good it will be if I lengthen my brake lines. It is so much easier to bail on front risers and it is almost as much fun with a fraction of the risk. Yes, Sabre 2 openings are unpredictable as hell, but after it is open, the canopy kicks ass. I just want the added safety of the Cobalt. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 July 18, 2002 Well...in my miniscule experience of owning 2 PD canopies I have added about 4 inches to the brake lines on both. The first was a PD 190 and the next was a Stilletto 170. For some reason it seems that manufacturers like to set the brakes "too short." It's good to see I'm not alone in thinking this. I didn't even like straight in landings with the brakes at factory settings and riser turns are impossible. The Stilletto turned into a rodeo bull when doing riser turns with the brakes that short. I have just gone to a policy of ...Jump it once with the brakes where they are.....then add 4 inches and it'll be perfect. I almost want to do it before I jump it the first time....but that wouldn't be smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grosfion 0 #19 July 19, 2002 _________________________________________________ QuoteA Cobalt will absoulutely be my next canopy. I am not sure whether it will be a 150, 135 or a 120. I am going to demo a 150 all day tomorrow. The main reason I want one is the added safety of a safe deployment head down at 200mph. I just want the added safety of the Cobalt. _______________________________________________ That's perfect advertisenment, you don't need to demo a canopy any more when you are already convinced from the quality of the product. RIGHT? Marcus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #20 July 19, 2002 Don't rely on something like this to save your ass... The staged openings are nice... but they can fail if not packed right and its a harder opening... better then a Sabre... but not by much if the staging fails.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
PhreeZone 20 #20 July 19, 2002 Don't rely on something like this to save your ass... The staged openings are nice... but they can fail if not packed right and its a harder opening... better then a Sabre... but not by much if the staging fails.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
