ee7joa 0 #1 July 23, 2002 I just got a brand new Hornet 170 http://www.brentfinley.com/packing.htm and other canopy manufactures. After about 3 hours of fun , I still have not managed to get it in the D bag but with practice, I am sure I will get there eventually. Does anybody have any dont's in terms for preventing damage during packing? I am worried that with all the messing around I might end up hurting my canopy. I am currently packing on carpet (in my hall). James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 July 23, 2002 Wear a shirt. Sweat coming off your body can damage a canopy over time, wearing a shirt helps prevent that. Good luck getting your new canopy in the bag, just be thankful its a PISA that's a little more tacky then a PD canopy...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #3 July 23, 2002 The answer my friend is Psycho Pack, the answer is Psycho Pack... Cool Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #4 July 23, 2002 QuoteThe answer my friend is Psycho Pack, the answer is Psycho Pack... My DZO has an interesting thing to say about Psycho Packing. He says everyone he has ever known who started Psycho packing, has stopped within 100 jumps. hehe "Your mother's full of stupidjuice!" My Art Project Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #5 July 23, 2002 QuoteMy DZO has an interesting thing to say about Psycho Packing. He says everyone he has ever known who started Psycho packing, has stopped within 100 jumps. A friend of mine (who just made his 7000th jump this weekend) stopped after two psycho pack jobs. He got a lineover on his 2nd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ee7joa 0 #6 July 23, 2002 QuoteThe answer my friend is Psycho Pack, the answer is Psycho Pack... Yes I have read that it helps get smaller pack size, so might be the way forward. I have read "top skin damage" is possible with this packing method. Not really sure how this occurs etc hence the thread. James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #7 July 23, 2002 It takes one sloppy pack job or thousands of neat pack jobs to wear out a canopy. Sounds like you need a bit of coaching to get neat. Hint, when you are ready to stuff the canopy into the bag, use Philipp Ludwig's technique. Once you have the canopy dressed to the same width as the bag, kneel on it about 1/4 of the way up from the bottom. Slide the d-bag down until it is trapped between the canopy and the carpet, with your knees locking it in place. Grab the canopy half way up and stuff it into the top corners of the d-bag. Straighten out your bridle, then stuff the top of the canopy into the bag. Next, tilt the d-bag so that the bridle rests on the floor, Use your weight to push the canopy deeper into the d-bag. Finally, grab the bottom of the canopy and stuff that into the middle of the bag. It is important to keep the slider hard up against the base of the canopy during the last step. "Stow suspension lines in accordance with the container manufacturer's instructions, yada, yada, yada." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ee7joa 0 #8 July 23, 2002 Thanks for the advice, QuoteIt takes one sloppy pack job or thousands of neat pack jobs to wear out a canopy. What is a sloppy pack job? ie What should I not do, to prevent damage etc? How much persuasion can I use? The first thing I will do when I get to the dz is find a packer and bribe him with beer to coach me. Until then I just wanna use my time as effectively as possible but not end up damaging my main... James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #9 July 23, 2002 When I learned to pack I was told that if the canopy was poorly flaked with lines disorganized, or if the bridle inside the bag wasn't routed right, you could get line burn damage during opening. I can't verify that this is correct, since I have not been willing to do the experiment on my canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #10 July 23, 2002 Remember to always untwist the break lines after every 3 jumps (some say to do it after each jump, but it kinda takes to much time when you are working fast). Make sure you don't have any canopy fabric between the ring and the grommet in the D-bag (where the pilot chute connects) that can burn your canopy when you open. Don't let people smoke near your canopy. Don't psycho pack, I heard it shortens the life of your canopy. Sun (UV rays) kills the fabric so make sure that you go to a shade as soon as you land. And just in case, remember Velcro kills so always make sure that your velcro (if you have velcro) are not exposed to the lines. HISPA 21 www.panamafreefall.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #11 July 23, 2002 QuoteDon't psycho pack, I heard it shortens the life of your canopy. Ask whoever told you that why Psycho packing shortens the life of your canopy. That's absurd. A proper psycho pack won't shorten the life of your canopy anymore than a proper PRO pack. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #12 July 23, 2002 QuoteAsk whoever told you that why Psycho packing shortens the life of your canopy. That's absurd. A proper psycho pack won't shorten the life of your canopy anymore than a proper PRO pack. A psycho pack CAN damage the canopy if you don't have a bridle extention, because of the wy that you essentially pull the bridle attachment ring WAY off to the side, the ring isn't even close to the grommet on your d-bag. As long as you get the bridle extension (about 6 inches), there's nothing wrong with the psycho pack. I psycho packed my new Stiletto until it had worn off some of its slipperyness. I loved the ease of packing and the controlability while getting it into the bag, but felt (in my humble opinion) that it contributed to off heading openings. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpy 9 #13 July 23, 2002 Regarding line overs when psyco-packing, when you lay the canopy on the ground upside down (opposite to the pro pack) you can then open both sides and the nose is right there in front of you so you can check that there are no lines over it before you begin rolling it. There's no way to ensure that a line hasn't moved over the nose when you put a propack job on the ground. Regarding damage to the canopy, unless you have a bridle extension fitted you have to drag the attachment point of the canopy out of the center of the roll so you can place it near the bridle attachment point of the d-bag. If you don't do this everytime then as the d-bag is pulled from the canopy on opening you can burn the fabric. Having said that, I did 300 psyco-packs before I got my extension made ($5) and there was no damage to the fabric. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #14 July 24, 2002 QuoteWhen I learned to pack I was told that if the canopy was poorly flaked with lines disorganized, or if the bridle inside the bag wasn't routed right, you could get line burn damage during opening. I can't verify that this is correct, since I have not been willing to do the experiment on my canopy. I think that Prof John here has come closest to answering the original poster's concern, though rather obliquely -- packing in and of itslef will not harm a canopy even if it is sloppy. Jumping a sloppily packed canopy can, indeed damage it. I think that if ee7joa packs and repacks his canopy all it will do is help get rid of the newness. Just make sure it is packed neatly and properly before jumping it. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #15 July 24, 2002 Shit.... He hasn't seen me pack over 5100 times... I still haven't pulled the silver handle after Psycho-Packing..... Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ee7joa 0 #16 July 24, 2002 Thanks for all the help, Glad to hear that packing and repacking, sloppily atm but improving, is not going to damage my canopy. Will defiantly make sure it is packed neatly before hurling myself out of a flying chariot. James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 0 #17 July 26, 2002 Personally I love the psyco pack.. I pack at my dz and when I ask people which way they usually like it the most common answer is the pro pack.. I also flat pack though.. I have about 250 jumps and I have psyco packed about 170 of them. like said before jsut make sure you pull the attachment point to the side before rolling to the blidle wont burn the fabric. as far as off heading openings most of the time the psyco pack opens predictably. of course with any method you will have off heading openings here and there. I love the way it opens with a psyco pack and after convincing a few others at my DZ many of the people there now psyco pack..( not only my convincing, but the trend did grow since my brother actually started to pack liek that) it also makes it so much easier to pack..especially with new ZP. just dont forget to flip the bag back over and it should be all good Im a nija_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #18 July 28, 2002 >packing in and of itslef will not harm a canopy even if it is sloppy. > Jumping a sloppily packed canopy can, indeed damage it. While that's in general true, keep in mind that it is packing, not deployment, that eventually wears out a canopy (assuming all good pack jobs and uneventful deployments.) It is one reason that PD sets a limit on both pack jobs and deployments on their reserves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #19 July 31, 2002 whats psycho pack?7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #20 August 1, 2002 >whats psycho pack? Basically a pro pack, but you don't do the s-folds, but instead roll the canopy to make it fit the bag. See this. Erno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #21 August 1, 2002 QuoteBasically a pro pack, but you don't do the s-folds, but instead roll the canopy to make it fit the bag. See this. What are they doing to the brake lines in those pictures? It looks like something with rubberbands or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #22 August 1, 2002 >What are they doing to the brake lines in those pictures? It >looks like something with rubberbands or something. Beats me. I know the brake-lines of the SET400(a tandem canopy) are partly stowed with rubberbands, I suppose that's to make the packjob neater or something. I have no idea why they'd do it with a VX though. Erno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #23 August 2, 2002 QuoteWhat are they doing to the brake lines in those pictures? It looks like something with rubberbands or something. No rubberbands, the packer is just following the golden rule of packing, "Lines to the inside, fabric to the outside." It looks like he's just making sure the lines stay centered in the packjob to help prevent a line-over. When I pack I keep the B, C & D lines held in one hand after flaking to make sure they don't move from the center of the pack-job. I don't let them go until It's time to drop the slider from over my shoulder and clover-leaf it. Kris "Happy Psycho-Packer"Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #24 August 2, 2002 >No rubberbands, the packer is just following the golden rule > of packing, "Lines to the inside, fabric to the outside." See attachments. To me it seems the packer is doing something in psycho1.jpg, and those look like rubber bands to me in psycho2.jpg. Erno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #25 August 2, 2002 QuoteMy DZO has an interesting thing to say about Psycho Packing. He says everyone he has ever known who started Psycho packing, has stopped within 100 jumps. I have NOT stopped psycho packing within 100 jumps. Peas~ Lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
