skymedic 0 #1 July 30, 2002 I am jumping a slightly loved saphire 189...love the canopy...finaly figuring out the flare...just wish I could tame down the openings...sometimes there sweet...most of the time though....it's a pretty big bang....and i know my pro pack is VERY clean...rolling the nose...psychoing it...seems to have not helped at all...not sure what else to do...thanks for any hints... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #2 July 30, 2002 Marc, Are you sure you are not still in your track when you dump? My Safire opens very consistently slowly, the only time I've have even a remotely hard opening was when I was. Heck, about 25% of the time I have to pump the rear risers to open my end cells, it is so slow ! Does it have Spectra or Vectran lines? Not saying it makes a difference, I haven't noticed any since I switched to Spectra, but it may. The only other thing I can suggest is to have the trim checked out -- slamming Safires are like slamming Spectres from what I have seen -- few and very far between. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #3 July 30, 2002 Mine slammed me regularly (119) until I got Derek's mod added. Opens pretty nicely now - not snively, but it doesn't hurt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBurket 0 #4 July 30, 2002 I jump a "slightly loved" safire too and it opens soft every time, I actually have to do a deep flare with the rear risers to get the slider to come all the way down. But my rigger also said the slider is HUGE, so someone may have put a bigger one on b/c it was slamming them. Call Icarus and ask them about it, maybe you could get a little bit bigger slider.[reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomblin 0 #5 July 31, 2002 I'm jumping a Safire 149 w/ Derek's mod. loaded at around 1.4 and love it... Before the mod I was consistently getting 400 foot openings, not hard by any means... After the mod I'm now getting 600-800 feet openings that are feather soft. I've found myself pulling in a track just to speed up the openings a little bit sometimes for fun... Other Safire jumpers at my DZ just roll the noses of their canopy and get good slow openings... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #6 July 31, 2002 I jump a Safire 189 loaded at around 1.3 or 1.4 depending on how you measure it. Anyway, my openings are usually soft and on heading. I think the only hard openings I've had are where I was a bit sloppy with the slider. I use a regular Psycho pack, and don't bother doing anything special with the nose. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pal 0 #7 July 31, 2002 How many jumps are on the canopy? It may be time for a reline. Like jceman said you might have to much speed during opening make sure you bleed it off before you dump. Does it have the right size slider? Check it and call icarus to make sure it is the right one. If all else fails i would speak to icarus and get them to check the canopy you may also be able to get a larger than normal slider but i would speak to them about it. In the 100 jumps i have put on my safire 139 i have not had 1 hard opening, they have all been very sweat. My packing has not been the best and it has still treated me nice. I do not roll the nose or use any techniques to slow it down like i would on the sabre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #8 July 31, 2002 according to Lisa at square one the reline was very recent. it has about 350 jumps on it. after getting Derek's PM I am going to send to him for the mod. the thing just hurts too damn much...it is opening in the 300-400 foot range...just a little too quick for my sore over worked back....thanks for the suggestions guys... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grosfion 0 #9 July 31, 2002 I anyone rolling the nose? I can't complain about the openings. Can someone explain me what Derek's mod. is exactly? thanks Marcus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomblin 0 #10 July 31, 2002 Here's the info Derek sent me on the mod: QuoteWhat is it?: Replacement of the upper steering lines with a new trim design. I will use Vectran or Spectra, whichever your canopy is currently lined with, unless you request other wise. What differences will it make in my Safire?: The performance option slows the openings on Safires and improves the flare of the canopy. There is no performance degradation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #11 July 31, 2002 www.jumpergirl.com/safire.htmlFly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #12 July 31, 2002 QuoteI am jumping a slightly loved saphire 189...love the canopy...finaly figuring out the flare...just wish I could tame down the openings...sometimes there sweet...most of the time though....it's a pretty big bang....and i know my pro pack is VERY clean...rolling the nose...psychoing it...seems to have not helped at all...not sure what else to do...thanks for any hints... i have safire2-149 loaded at 1.45. i don't roll the nose, i don't psycho it. it opens too slow for me. i'm in process of swaping slider for smaller one, since i prefer more brisk openings and don't like pumping slider down :) stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #13 July 31, 2002 Quotei have safire2-149 loaded at 1.45. Quote The Safire2 is a different animal. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #14 August 2, 2002 oh yeah...my Safire also has the largest slider I have ever seen on a parachute...it seems like it is as big as some tandem sliders...that should have been my first clue as to it's.....umm...opening charecteristics... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Staso 0 #15 August 2, 2002 Quoteoh yeah...my Safire also has the largest slider I have ever seen on a parachute...it seems like it is as big as some tandem sliders...that should have been my first clue as to it's.....umm...opening charecteristics... i was thinking the other day about how big slider effects the opening. i'm not sure excatly at what point of opening the slamming happens. on one hand bigger slider will stay up longer and thus making canopy spread slower and more be more soft on you. on the other hand, since it's bigger it will let the canopy to spread to its width right away and that itself may cause slamming. and safire2 slider is truly big. i think that's why sizes are 149, 169. it's actually 150 and 170 becasue of additional surface ! :) and collapsed slider doesn't want to stay behind my head, it's too big ! anyway, my new smaller slider is on its way ! :) stan -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skymedic 0 #14 August 2, 2002 oh yeah...my Safire also has the largest slider I have ever seen on a parachute...it seems like it is as big as some tandem sliders...that should have been my first clue as to it's.....umm...opening charecteristics... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #15 August 2, 2002 Quoteoh yeah...my Safire also has the largest slider I have ever seen on a parachute...it seems like it is as big as some tandem sliders...that should have been my first clue as to it's.....umm...opening charecteristics... i was thinking the other day about how big slider effects the opening. i'm not sure excatly at what point of opening the slamming happens. on one hand bigger slider will stay up longer and thus making canopy spread slower and more be more soft on you. on the other hand, since it's bigger it will let the canopy to spread to its width right away and that itself may cause slamming. and safire2 slider is truly big. i think that's why sizes are 149, 169. it's actually 150 and 170 becasue of additional surface ! :) and collapsed slider doesn't want to stay behind my head, it's too big ! anyway, my new smaller slider is on its way ! :) stan -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
