captainquim 0 #1 August 14, 2002 could anyone give me some websites or other sources of info where i can learn more about rigging in general? also - what about packing, ie advanced packing or packing reserves or base packing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polarbear 1 #2 August 14, 2002 I don't know many websites, but the parachute manual Vol I and II are always good sources. They are fairly dense and contain a lot of information, but if you put some time in, you can learn a lot. You could also read through the various owner's manuals, althouigh I find they often don't contain as much information as I would like. As far as packing reserves goes, probably the best thing to do is find a local rigger and sit in on some reserve repacks with them. I haven't found many written resources on packing reserves. I know Relative Workshop has a video that does a pretty good job of showing how reserves are packed. As far as BASE goes, I know next to nothing about it. Somone else will have to answer that one. "Holy s*** that was f***in' cold!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainquim 0 #3 August 14, 2002 where might i find a copy of the parachute manual? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polarbear 1 #4 August 14, 2002 Most of the local riggers in the area should have one. Local dropzones might also have one available. You can order them from several sources (most notably paragear, www.paragear.com). They are expensive, so try to find one to borrow. By the way, why the interest in rigging? Are you thinking of becoming a rigger or are you just looking to expand your knowledge? "Holy s*** that was f***in' cold!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #5 August 14, 2002 Check your local library. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #6 August 14, 2002 Disclaimer: Any video is only an instructional aid. To really learn how to pack (for BASE or anything else), you need to find a qualified instructor, and use video or other materials as instructional aids only. BASE packing videos are sold by the major BASE gear manufacturers. I've seen the CR, BR and Vertigo videos from about three years ago. I believe that CR and BR have both updated their videos since then. If you want to purchase a BASE packing video, here are some addresses to try: Consolidated Rigging 4035 Grass Valley Highway Auburn, California 95602 530 823-7969 530 823-7971 fax cr@crmojo.com http://www.crmojo.com Basic Research 236 East 3rd Street, Unit C Perris, California 92570 909 940-1324 909 940-1326 fax support@basicresearch.com http://www.basicresearch.com Vertigo BASE Outfitters PO Box 1304 Moab, Utah 84532 435 289-1085 adrenaline@vertigobase.com http://www.vertigobase.com/ I believe that CR also offers a BASE packing course (normally a module of their first jump course, but also available separately). The CR packing method is generally the easiest to learn if you are accustomed to skydiving packing. I personally use the BR method 90% of the time, because I think it gives the most symmetric openings.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #7 August 14, 2002 Take a rigging course . Rigging inovations even has advanced skills courses . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainquim 0 #8 August 15, 2002 The reason why I wanted to know was that I am unhappy with the amount of knowledge given to student skydivers. I have 150 jumps and still very much consider myself a student. Jumping out of a plane is inherently dangerous, and you are relying on a bit of kit to save you. i am not happy with relying on other people to check my kit - i want to know for myself. also, after the recent discussions about BASE on this site i have visited the CR, BR, Blinc and ABA sites and have found a lot of interesting info on these sites about technical factors - which i am sure would provide some valuable cross-over knowledge for skydiving. i was particularly interested in the rigging and packing information which i have never heard being spoken about on any DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #9 August 15, 2002 rigging for a base rig is a whole nother animal.....and packing for that matter...I'd hurt myself if I packed a 3 second delay and took it terminal....OUCH... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #10 August 15, 2002 Did you try talking to the rigger at your DZ? He can probably help you with most of your skydiving rigging questions (and would probably be happy that a young skydiver was showing interest).-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #11 August 15, 2002 Quoterigging for a base rig is a whole nother animal.....and packing for that matter...I'd hurt myself if I packed a 3 second delay and took it terminal....OUCH... Amen. If I took my three second pack job to terminal, I wouldn't expect to survive the opening. At three seconds I'm generally slider down, and at terminal with no slider I'd bet on catastrophic failure of my spine, my parachute, or both.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainquim 0 #12 August 15, 2002 i didn't really mean in the specific case of fast openings etc - it just appeared to me that BASE participants paid a lot more attention to rigging & packing and seem to have a much more in depth knowledge that skydivers don't seem to be interested in - such as packing for nose first inflations to reduce line overs - virtually all the skydivers i know simply roll it up and jam it in the bag (just an example - i don't even know if you can make any adjustments to packing with skydiving kit as opposed to BASE specific kit that would allow this technique. my point is that factors such as these are considered in BASE). there are lots of other things that i read about, but didn't really understand, so i wanted to find out about them to see if they would be of any benefit to me. i realise that many of the factors that are taken into account in BASE are done so because the BASE environment is more demanding - you are not opening within feet of a big f*cking wall in a skydive (hopefully), but still - the way i see it, the more knowledge the better - when you are lying on the ground with many broken bones and claret all over you, pleading ignorance is not gonna make you better! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #13 August 15, 2002 The "Parachute Manual" Volumes One and Two was written by Dan Poynter and is found in every reputable parachute loft. Both volumes are available from all the major dealers. If you are serious about earning a rigger's license, then you should also buy Poynter's "Rigger's Study Guide." Mark Schlatter co-authored the most recent edition of RSG. Another good source of rigging knowledge is the owners' manuals found on many manufacturer's websites. Finally, the best way to learn is to apprentice under a Master Rigger, then attend one of the short courses (6 - 10 days long) given by Rigger Examiners like Dave DeWolf (Pennsylvania), Barry MacAully (BC, Canada), BPA, APF, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #14 August 15, 2002 >apprentice under a Master Rigger Would a senior rigger be good enough?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rendezvous 0 #15 August 15, 2002 I share your interest in the same too. I like to know and understand the technical aspects of my rig. Don't like the thought of looking at it and feeling like I'm looking at an alien. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumperpaula 0 #16 August 15, 2002 QuoteDon't like the thought of looking at it and feeling like I'm looking at an alien. Funny, Ive been working with a Master Rigger 5 months and I still feel like Im looking at a alien sometimes. Seriously, spending time in a loft, with a rigger is amazing. Even if you don't want to "be a rigger" the things you learn and see will help a lot. Ask if you can just come hang out and watch. Like was previously said, the Rigger will probably enjoy the company and your interest in the work done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #17 August 16, 2002 What specific rigging questions do you have? Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #18 August 16, 2002 In the USA a Senior Rigger would be enough to supervise your apprenticeship. Rules vary in other countries. For example, in Canada, the only way to earn a CSPA Rigger A rating is to attend a short course given by a CSPA Rigger Examiner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainquim 0 #19 August 16, 2002 i don't have any specific rigging questions at the moment. this is what worries me. the fact that i don't know enough even to ask the questions has prompted me to find out more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #20 August 16, 2002 I will lend you my Vertigo packing video........ but first i want my FFoF1-11 and BE vids back!!!........ I may be around the DZ tomorrow i may be not cya!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #21 August 16, 2002 Also. if you want - and if you have the space at your house I will show you how I pack my dagger.......... (it is not the final word - its just what I do!) Gimme a call next week......... Cya........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainquim 0 #22 August 16, 2002 sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! you can't have the vids, i've burnt them as an offering to the hamster gods Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #23 August 16, 2002 Tom - can you drop me an eMail - michael.mchale@berkeleygroup.co.uk - with how the BR differs to the CR packing method........ as I was taught by CR................ Thanks Cya Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #24 August 16, 2002 Beyond specific FAA regulations, rigging (reserve packing) must comply with the manufacturer's specifications. This means there's a set procedure and standards to be followed. Ask your rigger open ended "what if" types of questions. "How do I know (idenify) if my reserve has been tampered with for a total malfunction?" Ask a rigger you know what happens if you skip a step packing your main. "What happens if I don't set the brakes?" Ask a rigger to explain a service bulletin or their thoughts on an appropriate size reserve for you. If a rigger isn't busy, the ones I've talked to are more than willing to educate interested jumpers in "knowing more about your gear". Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barrymaple007 0 #25 September 22, 2018 Have you got a slider for a Springo 160 that you would sell? Or can anyone tell me the slider size?Barry Maple AFF course, 1 week in the sun www.learnskydiving.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
