Bag Orientation

[L600DAN 0]

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine earlier today. We both have Mirage G3 containers with similar sized canopies.

My friend believes that it is best to just place the bag into the container with the lines facing down and the bridle facing up.

I believe that it would make for a tighter fit and a bulkier pack and that it wouldn't make a great deal of difference to the opening anyway. I, therefore place the bag in the container and rotate it so that the lines are at the bottom of the container (as per most other types of rig).

Any comments???

[christoofar 0]

Don't know about the Mirage, but the Javelin Odyssey you drop the bag into the container and you do not rotate it, or it'll be funky when you close it.

I have a J1 and I rotate the bag after dropping it in since that's the *only* way it will close right.

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[quade 4]

What does the manufacterer recommend for this container?

I'm almost certain you'll find the answer you're looking for in the owner's manual. If you don't have a manual, you can probably write the manufactuerer and find out. Since recommendations can vary depending on the size of the container, make certain you mention that as well.

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[avitus 0]

From the online manual at http://www.miragesys.com

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Fold back the main container flaps. Place the main bag into the main pack tray. IMPORTANT: Make sure the line stows go to the bottom of the container. [Fig. 7] Helpful Hint: To get the best fit into the main container insert the main bag with bridle grommet against the reserve container first, then rotate the bag with the lines towards the bottom of the container. Make sure the bag fills the bottom corners. With the bulk evenly distributed the main container will have a smooth appearance.

[weid14 0]

yeah, what he said... not rotating the bag will create voids in the main tray area, not a big deal if the canopy is on the smaller size for the container, but it makes it lumpy. the new jav you dont' rotate...

[pilotdave 0]

I have the problem on my Reflex that the D-bag is too tall for me to rotate...it bumps into the reserve container. I had been placing it in with the line stows down then rotating it as far as i could then sort of smooshing it into place. It makes for a very messy pack job, usually with a top corner of the dbag sticking out above one of the side flaps in the end. I started placing it in already rotated, so the line stows are at first exposed at the bottom of the container. As I close each side flap, I need to stuff the lines under. It seems to end up cleaner that way. But, I was taught to put the D-bag in lines down and rotate it. Can putting it in already on it's side cause any problems?

Dave

[tomblin 0]

I have a Mirage G3 (size M3) that I've packed bridle up a couple of times. It makes the container look longer and flatter (at least with my Safire 149). The closing loop is actually looser in this configuration. I can't tell any differences during deployment. I've been doing this because it is what is recommend by Birdman (or at least BMI in deland) when jumping a BM suit.

[indyz 1]

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I had been placing it in with the line stows down then rotating it as far as i could then sort of smooshing it into place.

My dbag is also pretty big for my container (actually, it's the right size but my main is big). The trick the packers here showed me is to put it in lines down, then lift up on the rig at the bottom of the reserve container (I do it by pulling straight up on the top main flap). This makes the container into sort of an /\ shape with the bottom of the main container and the top of the rig on the ground, but the middle lifted up 4 or 5 inches. Then rotate the bag, and let the rig down again. Lifting the rig like that seems to give it a little more room to rotate.

[riggerrob 643]

We covered this question about d-bag orientation in an earlier thread.
Basically, if the d-bag is near square (when viewed from the side) orientation does not matter. Dropping the d-bag straight in is even recommended on the smaller versions of Wings H/C.
Some people even believe that the more turns the d-bag has to make, the greater the chance of an off-heading opening.
For example, Tim Overby was having problems with off-heading openings when he packed his sub-100 into his tiny Javelin. He asked me to sew him up a new main d-bag. I took the old dimensions and rotated them 90 degrees so that the lines lay in the pack tray and he did not have to rotate the bag.
Tim reports zero off-heading openings with his new d-bag.