Quagmirian 40 #1 June 8, 2012 I'm sure this has been posted before, I'm just not sure what I'm looking at here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGcxegx8Z34 Forget the student, there seems to be something odd about the instructor's reserve handle. It can be seen most clearly by pausing at 1:15 in the video. Is this some style of handle that I haven't seen before? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #2 June 8, 2012 It does look to be working its way loose from its pocket."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 21 #3 June 8, 2012 QuoteI'm sure this has been posted before, I'm just not sure what I'm looking at here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGcxegx8Z34 What a coincidence, I don't know what I'm looking at either when I see that video. QuoteForget the student, there seems to be something odd about the instructor's reserve handle. It can be seen most clearly by pausing at 1:15 in the video. Is this some style of handle that I haven't seen before? The reserve handle is installed backwards. It is interesting to note that I find more people all the time that think the small side gets inserted into the webbing. Inserting the large side is very snug, so they insert the side that is easy. It's like they don't understand the concept of it being more resistant to being snagged with the small side out. I had a rather experienced jumper several years ago that always installed his backwards, and told me that the manufacturer (or perhaps a gear dealer) told him that was the correct way. I did my own contacting of the manufacturer and cleared that up! Does anyone RTFM? Or look at the pictures in them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quagmirian 40 #4 June 8, 2012 Ahh ok. I made this mistake and learned on my first jump course. When we were practicing with cutaway vests, without any foreknowledge I assumed that the handle went little side in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 21 #5 June 8, 2012 QuoteAhh ok. I made this mistake and learned on my first jump course. When we were practicing with cutaway vests, without any foreknowledge I assumed that the handle went little side in. That's OK, you wouldn't know that with so few jumps. I have seen a number of first jump students do that too while practicing in a harness. Any harshness in that RTFM statement would be directed at a rig owner that didn't know after many jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #6 June 9, 2012 Quote Does anyone RTFM? Or look at the pictures in them? Gary, It would appear not. And then, as in this video they go on become instructors passing on their lack of knowledge. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #7 June 9, 2012 I hadn't considered that anyone would install a handle like that. Fools can be ingenious and all that... Another thing I noticed is that the student's rig has a grommet visible on a reserve flap, as if the reserve container is overstuffed and/or too long of a loop has been used. I would not think any container would be considered OK when the grommet is exposed - the closing loop is exposed. Perhaps I'm not seeing it correctly, what do y'all think?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #8 June 9, 2012 That is some stupid shit! Reserve handle looks like hell, ghetto camera setup, no actual step on the landing gear."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 June 9, 2012 QuoteThat is some stupid shit! Reserve handle looks like hell, ghetto camera setup, no actual step on the landing gear. And yes, the reserve grommet was exposed. That student didn't chicken out; chickens are stupid. The smartest thing anyone on that plane did was the student refusing to jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 150 #10 June 9, 2012 Quote Quote Does anyone RTFM? Or look at the pictures in them? Gary, It would appear not. And then, as in this video they go on become instructors passing on their lack of knowledge. Sparky +1. How do some people get ratings?. Why did he hang around so long outside the A/C ?. As Andy pointed out, she prolly did the smart thing if what we saw were "expert" instructors.....My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #11 June 10, 2012 Wow, for the INSTRUCTOR to have their handle in backwards . . .I bet THAT'S what scared the student so badly.I haven't done Cessna AFF in 25+ years, but on a solo instructor jump, shouldn't you be controlling the student physically as they climb out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #12 June 10, 2012 About 30% of the pilot rigs I get to pack have the handle in backwards. They're excused, unless I've told them once before. And I've seen plenty of skydiver rigs like that over the years. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #13 June 15, 2012 I don't think it would ever have occurred to me to insert the handle backwards, even as a newbie. Most handles that have a similar tapered shape - suitcase handles, some drawer handles - are fixed at the wider end and invite you to pull on the narrower end. Close examination of the student jumpsuit (and a bit of Googling) suggests this is at Skydive Cuautla in Mexico. Not somewhere I'm planning to jump any time soon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
