andrewstewart 0 #1 October 7, 2002 I'm interested to hear peoples canopy downsize progression - i.e. the number of jumps on each type and size of canopy, chronologically. Can we please try not to flame anyone for "downsizing too quickly"? Looking forward to your reading your canopy history, - Andrew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 October 7, 2002 Student stuff to PD-190 @ .9 Jump 35 Spectre 170 @1.1 to 200 jumps (2nd year) Cobalt 150 @1.25ish 240+ jumps (440+ total) and still liking it. (All in the 3rd year) I've demoed stuff from Stiletto 120's, Samurai 136, Lightnings etc also but I still like having a main that I know and can do what I want with it.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #3 October 7, 2002 Try this thread. I think there are a couple of older ones in the archives as well. Since I never answered any of those: Skymaster 230s and 290s, sky barges, 30 jumps or so. Sabre 2 170, new, nice, swoopy, 2 jumps. Sabre 170, couldn't read the warning label to check the DOM, dogged out, 2 jumps. Spectre 170 @ 1.1:1, orange, beautiful, mine all mine, jump 34 to present. I don't plan on downsizing anytime soon, but I may switch to a 9-cell next summer. We'll see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grega 0 #4 October 7, 2002 skymaster 270 (0.75) = 50 jumps PD 9-cell 210 (1.0) = 120 jumps spark 190 (1.1) = 10 jumps atair cobalt 170 (1.25) = 20 jumps atair impulse (alpha) 135 (1.55) = 50 jumps atair impulse (alpha) 120 (1.75) = 1 jump I wouldn't recommend wing loading that big (1.55 - 1.75) at 250 jumps, unless there is almost nobody else in the air (avoiding traffic problems) when you jump and you are smart enough not to start thinking that you know this canopy becauseyou have 50 jumps on it and starting to learn hook turns !!! you have to know that this canopy can kill (i hope i got that in my brain for at least 200 jumps ) "George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #5 October 7, 2002 QuoteTry this thread. I think there are a couple of older ones in the archives as well. Ah! Yes, I should have searched the archives. Thanks ;-) - Andrew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flow 1 #6 October 7, 2002 Manta 288 - 1 jump Navigator 260 - 10 jumps Navigator 220 - 45 jumps Sabre 150 - 1 jump Hornet 150 - 150+ jumps Sabre 135 - 1 jump And my own canopy is the Hornet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #7 October 7, 2002 Falcon 195 (140 jumps) loaded 1.15 to 1 Safire 169 (295 jumps ) loaded 1.5 to 1 Crossfire 2 130 (20 jumps - current) loaded 1.73 to 1 Blue Skies Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #8 October 7, 2002 (4) SET 400 WL:1.0 (12) Raven 4 (WL: .8) (2) Navigator 280 (WL: .8) (2) Navigator 260 (WL: .88) (2) Navigator 240 (WL: .95) (2) Navigator 220 (WL: .1.0) (250) Triathlon 190 (WL 1.1) (2) Spectre 190 (WL: .1.1) (2) Spectre 170 (WL: 1.3) (4) Stiletto 170 (WL: 1.3) (2) Crossfire 170 (WL: 1.3) (2) Crossfire 150 (WL 1.5) (2) Lotus 150 (1.5) (5) Samurai 150 (1.5) (150) Stiletto 150 (WL 1.5 - 1.6) (1) Cobalt 150 (1.6) (2) Crossfire 2 139 (1.7)__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #9 October 7, 2002 Manta 288 @ .75:1 - 20 Jumps Sabre 190 @ 1.1:1 - 100 Jumps Sabre 170 @ 1.25:1 - 250 Jumps Stiletto 150 @ 1.4:1 - 800 Jumps Crossfire 129 @ 1.7:1 - 200 Jumps Crossfire 119 @ 1.8:1 - Current (back up camera rig) Velocity 103 @ 2.1 - Current (primary camera rig and PPPB distance) Velocity 96 @ 2.25 - Current (water rig & PPPB speed)All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramon 0 #10 October 7, 2002 Don't do what I did unless you are heavily supervised. Most of the downsizing took place at a huge DZ with an enormous landing area and lots of room for error. It would be extremely dangerous to downsize this fast (even supervised) at a dZ with a small landing area.student canopies 280-215 30 jumps Triathlon 175 (@1.28) 150 jumps Stilleto 170 ( 1.3) 40 jumps Space 150 (1.5) 180 jumps Vengeance 135 (1.65) 175 jumps (back up rig) Extreme FX 109 (2.0) 175 jumps Extreme VX 97 (2.2) 80 jumps (distance) r "Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.", Ambrose Bierce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Watcher 0 #11 October 7, 2002 DISCLAIMER: NOT RECOMMENDED PROGRESSION I Took risks on the edge of my ability but was conservative enough that I did not injure myself. There are few people I have talked to that I would ever recommend this progression to. Student Canopies (1-15) FCI Pro Series 170 (16-120) 1.1:1 (6 months) Nitron 150 (121-124) Nitron 135 (125-140) Nitron 120 (141-350) 1.6:1 (5 months) Velocity 120 (~20 jumps) 1.6:1 Velocity 111 (~10 Jumps) (~25 jumps) Velocity 103 (400 - 530) 1.85:1 (Last 3 Months)Jonathan Bartlett D-24876 AFF-I Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #12 October 7, 2002 Approximately over the past 4.5 years (I weigh about 170-175): PD170/Falcon175 - 160 jumps Spectre150 - 400 jumps Stiletto135 - 250 jumps Stiletto135/Crossfire119 - 400 jumps Crossfire109 - 600 jumps VX90 - 20 jumps...got it last week! :) Yippee!!! -Steve_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #13 October 7, 2002 Number Canopy Canopy Wing of Jumps Model Size Loading* 514 Icarus Extreme VX 60 3.12 831 Icarus Extreme FX 70 2.67 2 Alpha 74 2.53 25 Icarus Extreme FX 79 2.37 1 Velocity 84 2.23 2 Icarus Crossfire II 89 2.10 68 Alpha 94 1.99 1 Samari 95 1.97 6 Stiletto 97 1.93 3 Batwing 98 1.91 1 Super Batwing 98 1.91 0 Heatwave 100 1.87 2 Icarus Crossfire 104 1.80 1 Stiletto 107 1.75 1 Icarus Crossfire II 108 1.73 1 Icarus Crossfire 109 1.72 7 MR-109-M 109 1.72 2 Icarus Alpha 115 1.63 2 Icarus Crossfire 116 1.61 1 Icarus Safire II 119 1.57 37 Stiletto 120 1.56 4 Viper 120 1.56 11 Triathlon 120 1.56 1 Space 2000 130 1.44 1 Icarus Crossfire 134 1.40 1 Batwing 134 1.40 1 Sabre 135 1.39 501 Monarch 135 1.39 2 Stiletto 135 1.39 2 PD-143R 143 1.31 1 Icarus Crossfire II 149 1.26 15 Sabre 150 1.25 8 Spectre 150 1.25 1 Icarus Omega 150 1.25 1 Triathlon 160 1.17 1 Icarus Safire 169 1.11 3 Sabre 170 1.10 1 Spectre 170 1.10 2 PD 170 1.10 61 Icarus Safire 189 0.99 2 Sabre 190 0.98 0 Clipper (No Top Skin) 195 0.96 1 Dragon 218 0.86 18 Raider 220 0.85 1 Fury 220R 220 0.85 4 Lazer 7 227 0.82 1 Strato-Cloud 230 0.81 11 Rascal 230 0.81 2 Sabre 230 0.81 2 PD 260 0.72 102 Star Trac I 265 0.71 - DC-5 270 0.69 3 Manta 288 0.65 2 Lazer 9 292 0.64 722 Icarus Tandem 365 Variable 23 PD-370 Tandem 370 Variable 2 TR-375A 375 Variable 3 PD-384 Tandem 384 Variable 49 PD-395 Tandem 394 Variable 5 Icarus Tandem 400 Variable 2 Strong Tandem 520 Variable 2 Para-Commander MK-1 ? - - Phantom 22' ? - - Security 26' ? - Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pal 0 #14 October 8, 2002 student equipment-330-270-240 :56 jumps falcon 175 :128 jumps safire 135 :105 jumps @ 1.48 alpha 119 :1 jump (borrowed gear to go back to back) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichM 0 #15 October 8, 2002 Quote 0 Heatwave 100 1.87 Hook 0 jumps? Me: >200 sqft Student stuff 25 jumps @ variable Sabre 170 100 @ 1.0 Sabre 135 100 @ 1.26 Sabre 120 200 @ 1.46 Crossfire 119 150 @ 1.51Rich M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #16 October 8, 2002 It was the 3rd canopy on a cutaway rig. It was not landed. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #17 October 8, 2002 In order (student Sabre 235 (9), Omega 200 (3)) Falcon 195 (17) @1.07 Raven 218 (7) @1.03 Triatholon 165 (8) @1.27 PD 150 (6) @1.4 Spetre 190 (2) @1.1 Spectre 170 (159)@ 1.23 Cobalt 150 (40+)@1.4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 0 #18 October 8, 2002 student 1-15 manta 288 ~15 raider220 ~35 fury220 ~15 triathelon190? 5 stilletto 170 ~200 crossfire 149 5 jedei 120 25 crossfire 119 10 crossfire 2 119 5 crossfire 2 105 main canopy jumped is 149 crossfire 1 ...others were demos and such.. pretty fast progression and dont suggest for everyone...was under supervision of manufacturers and s&ta's ohh about 5 on samuri 120 and 35 cobalt 120 -yoshi_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #19 October 9, 2002 09 - Maveron 250 04 - Raider 220 01 - Sihlouette 210 02 - Navigator 200 05 - Triathlon 175 01 - Tempo 170 04 - Saber 170 04 - Spectre 170 15 - Triathlon 160 38 - Triathlon 150 02 - Tempo 150 04 - Diablo 150 36 - Cobalt 150 04 - Cobalt 135 52 - Heatwave 135 02 - Crossfire 2 129 08 - Xaos 21 108 -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichM 0 #20 October 9, 2002 Quoteabout 5 on samuri 120 and 35 cobalt 120 -yoshi Yoshi - what did you think of those 2 canopies in comparison to each other? Did you jump them close together?Rich M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #21 October 14, 2002 Student canopies Falcon 235 5 jumps, Falcon 215 up to jump number 21,No more student canopies PD 9 cell 170 10 Jumps, Sabre 150 about 150 Jumps. Jedei 136 about 100 Jumps, Vengance 135 about 200 Vengance 120 about 30, Some Jumps on Spectre 150, 4 Jumps on Navigator 200 of which 2 where Demos with Flag. and I have 1 jump on a Samurai 105 (Good learning experience not to downsize) and 2 Jumps in Xaos 21 108. I have about 549 Jumps. Exit Weight 200 to 210Lbs "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 0 #22 October 14, 2002 well I am not a fan of the cobalt. the samuri seemed more twitchy and more ground hungry.. the cobalt had much lighter front riser pressure and if I remember correctly about the same toggle stroke. the cobalt 120 that I jumped (with exit weight about 190-200) had no bottom end flare. I couldnt swoop the thing worth a damn.. perhaps it was my own input, but I can get pretty long swoops out of other stuff similar. maybe it is the design of the canopy itself. Perhaps it just needs flown differently?? I am not sure.. with as many jumps as I have had on it I thought that I should be able to figure it out ok, but I couldnt really fly the cobalt in the range that I wanted to or that I fly other canopies in... anyways if you are deciding between those 2 specificly i would suggest the samuri...more so the crossfire 2.. that is an awesome canopy... -yoshi_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #23 October 15, 2002 i started about a year ago, have 225 jumps to date Manta 288 - 30 jumps (.86) Sabre 210 145 jumps (1.18) Sabre 170 45 jumps and counting (1.45) Soon to come Cobalt 170, I'm going to stay with my current wing loading for the time being, but would like a canopy with more performance Flare when you hear the crick... thump, roll, bounce, crap, ouch Flash<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base363 0 #24 October 15, 2002 Over the last 20 years and 3600 Jumps ~205 Exit weight, 4000' field elevation T10 Para-commander Strato-Star Manta Unit III Raven 3 Pursuit 230 Interceptor 225 AR-7 191 Johnathon 150 Jedi 120 FX 93 Xaos 78 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 #25 October 16, 2002 Student gear 22 jumps few Manta @ .5 mostly 220's @ .7 Triathlon 160 = 305 @ 1.0 Sabre 150 = 2 @ 1.06 Cobalt 150 = 11 @ 1.06 Cobalt 135 = 16 @ 1.18 Lotus 136 = 2 @ 1.17 Sabre jumps were at jump 227 Cobalt(s) jumps 268-295 Lotus jumps at 298 Just put my new Cobalt 135 in my rig this evening Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
