hookitt 1 #26 January 22, 2003 QuoteIF you are so confindent in your Stiletto why not buy other???????T Personal attack? I think so. Dude it's all good. If we were discussing this over a beer we'd be having a good conversation. My stiletto has been much more fun to fly than many other parachutes. However during landing, it takes some skill to get out of it what I can get out of it. Keep in mind I can swoop a spectre 150 a pretty fair distance to. It certainly is not my canopy of choice. Ok, reasons I like it. - It opens consistently and softly at every freefall speed I throw at it. - Snappy turns -Great floatability. I can easily walk all over a lightly loaded saber 150, Spectre what ever. That is lots of fun and I'd be bummed if I couldn't play in the air with my friends because im jumping an "icarus small" (don't take that entirely literal... you get the point) - Even loaded at 1.8 I can still sink it into tight places..(Note that this is not a comfortable landing) - good glide ratio. - Swoops well. Example: Shore to shore and then some on the small pond in Perris. - It's not ground hungry. Reasons I would replace it. - With the same radical amount of input, another parachute will swoop further. - If similar flight characteristics are available I'd prefer farther swoops with less input. - Small parachutes highly loaded (example cobalt comp 65 at 2.6 ish) is just plain fun. Other reasons I keep it. - it works. - it works well - I already own it. - It doesn't hurt me to open it at high speeds. Ive dumped in stand ups and in full on head downs and it was friendly. (it was way past the altitude to where I should have opened) -------- I still have loads of confidence in the stilletto. But would I prefer it if I could go faster? uh... Yeah of course. Put it this way, I loved the flight characteristics of the 65 cobalt comp, but that particular parachute did not open satisfactorily. I am singling out that exact parachute because I haven't flown another since. I put tons of jumps on it and it flew great and swooped like an even more powerful motherfucker. I was not satisfied with the Crossfire one. I loved the small xoas but it's ground hungry. I like the Velocity but it too is some what ground hungry and I like snappier turns. In my opinion the Vengeance is just plain ole boring to fly. .. I asked that question as a legitamate question. If I was near your DZ i'd drink a beer with you and talk about it. I do want to know other's opions of why they like or dislike a canopy or other component. If I were to say a particular parachute sucks ass, wouldn't you want to know why I thought that? Dude I'll fly with you any day and also sit around after hours with you any day if we ever meet. Unfortunately I have to get back to work now so with out edit or proofread or time to fine tune my thoughts I'll send this. Cheers. ......My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #27 January 22, 2003 Not an attack at all,by no means! Sorry if you took it like that!But, what i was trying to say was the Stiletto did't have enough get up and go at the end! That 's why i jumped it to compare,see if i was flying the best out there,and in my own feeling i think i am! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #28 January 22, 2003 Ah no worries then! I by no means think I'm flying the best. It's pretty damn good though. I agree on the later part of the surf. You need to finish sooner on a stiletto. Since my tendency is to go pretty balls out on the approach, it will surf quite well. I'd like to take that energy and put it to use on a newer model. I'm certainly interested in flying the 2 to check it out. If that darn 65 wasn't so uncomfortable to inflate, I would have bought it. But what the heck, since I spent All my Canopy money on Large 7 cells designed to open rapidly, I'll need to do more AFF dives to pay for a new High performance canopy any way. The question is..... which one ??? HMMmmmm.... CheersMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 0 #29 January 22, 2003 Quote This is probably the best comment to be made during this thread. A canopy is a canopy, a pilot makes it fly. I anticipate Hooks report, and with humble and all do respect, mr.T, I have a very high regard for your experience and accomplishments. I am nobody to bring that into contention. I just look forward to your objective and informative evaluation of the C2 since for in my own humble experience I have chosen it as my wing of choice (over the Stiletto). I am interested to know what you find are its strengths/weaknesses in your opinion. I don't care to fly an X as my main wing, thats my consolation. . respectfully, .-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #30 January 22, 2003 Crossfire 2 has a longer recovery arch and tens to gain speed in this arch,Flaring is out of sight, It still opens so soft you can have a ton of camaras on and not worry about getting a fast opening! Riser pressure is next to nothing.You'll have to try it your self,it like having a crossbrace but without all the touchy feely of a crossbrace canopy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #31 January 22, 2003 QuoteQuote I like the Velocity but it too is some what ground hungry and I like snappier turns.......Quote Not an attack but I can outlift a saber2 150-170 and a stilletto 135 any day with my velocity 96. Ive actually had lift contests with people, Tri cells are awsome canopies if you fly them to their limit's slow and fast. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #32 January 22, 2003 Quote The question is..... which one ??? well that's easy, get a vxjump one and you'll love it later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #33 January 22, 2003 Quote well that's easy, get a vx What year VX do you jump? I've jumped a 70 vx many times but it was an old one. Unbelievably high front riser pressure. Has that changed? Quote but I can outlift a saber2 150-170 I'll look into that one as well. I put 50 jumps on a 79 a few years ago it was nice. Quote I am nobody to bring that into contention Contend contend!... by all means. I'm just another skydiver. It's all good. We all teach each other. There's a reason you jump the c2. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. The 1 just didn't do it for me. Perhaps I wrote in the wrong tone which was not my intent but WTF, I'm not writer nor am I am editor.Thanks for The input. When the fog goes away, I'll go fly some new school technology and try to write about it. C-yaMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #34 January 22, 2003 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well that's easy, get a vx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What year VX do you jump? I've jumped a 70 vx many times but it was an old one. Unbelievably high front riser pressure. Has that changed? i jump a 85 vx from late 2002. it still has high front riser pressure. you'll get that on about any crossbraced canopy. at least compared to your stiletto. the stiletto has very light riser presure, well to me anyway. and to what rdutch said about them being able to glide well, hell ya they do. i had a 84 fx (2.3), and i was able to stay next to a guy under a fury 220, and this guy is about 150 pounds out the door. and my vx is even flatter!! now i had more speed than he did, but i was able to stay with him, and i think he was riding a little brakes. just my $.02 later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headdown10 0 #35 January 22, 2003 No doubt you were able to stay up with that furry220 it was probably all baffed out and was sinking like a weight vest. As far as the stiletto goes i think i'll stick to a stiletto until these other manufacturers start to send demos north to us CanadiansSHUT UP & JUMP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkySlut 0 #36 January 22, 2003 I am assuming that PD is coming out with a Stilleto 2. When I was in Deland, I saw the PD guys test jumping a 9 cell, elliptical, non crossbraced and non-airlocked canopy. It had no labels on it, so I am assuming that they are making changes to the Stilleto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #37 January 22, 2003 Quote No doubt you were able to stay up with that furry220 it was probably all baffed out and was sinking like a weight vest. well i'm not to sure what you mean by baffed out, i guessing you mean worn out . well, your wrong if that is what you were thinking, it was relitivilly new. and that isn't the only canopy that i have stayed up a long side with. i was hanging next to a girl just the other day with a heatwave 190 and exit weight of maybe 150, out the outside (under my vx) later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #38 January 23, 2003 I beleive you Derek docked on me under crossfire 116 @ 1.1:1 and him under a VX 60 @ 3.1:1.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headdown10 0 #39 January 23, 2003 Wow! I'm impressed but i would like to see it.SHUT UP & JUMP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #40 January 23, 2003 Quote Wow! I'm impressed but i would like to see it. with what?? me being able to stay next to the girl with a heatwave?? if so, come to my dz, and i can show ya later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #41 January 23, 2003 QuoteI beleive you Derek docked on me under crossfire 116 @ 1.1:1 and him under a VX 60 @ 3.1:1. ya, it's amazing how well you can get these thing to slow down and float so well. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #42 January 23, 2003 Quote Wow! I'm impressed but i would like to see it. Will this work? It's one I took as he is about to grab my pilot chute btw...he steering lines are really long so he really isn't in that deep of brakes.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headdown10 0 #43 January 23, 2003 Cool pic. Works for me and i just might take you up on a trip to your DZ Peace outSHUT UP & JUMP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #44 January 23, 2003 Quote btw...he steering lines are really long so he really isn't in that deep of brakes. hell, almost any brakes under a 60 sq ft. canopy is deep damn though, that thing looks like fun, i want to jump it later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tinystiletto 0 #45 January 24, 2003 I have had the same experience, I demoed a 120, a 107 and a 97. The 120 didn't have the low end lift that the 107 does. I dont know why. I jump a 107 now and load it at 2.0. I can sink it in or swoop it, great all around canopy and the openings are schweet. Jazz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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skygod7777 0 #32 January 22, 2003 Quote The question is..... which one ??? well that's easy, get a vxjump one and you'll love it later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #33 January 22, 2003 Quote well that's easy, get a vx What year VX do you jump? I've jumped a 70 vx many times but it was an old one. Unbelievably high front riser pressure. Has that changed? Quote but I can outlift a saber2 150-170 I'll look into that one as well. I put 50 jumps on a 79 a few years ago it was nice. Quote I am nobody to bring that into contention Contend contend!... by all means. I'm just another skydiver. It's all good. We all teach each other. There's a reason you jump the c2. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. The 1 just didn't do it for me. Perhaps I wrote in the wrong tone which was not my intent but WTF, I'm not writer nor am I am editor.Thanks for The input. When the fog goes away, I'll go fly some new school technology and try to write about it. C-yaMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #34 January 22, 2003 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well that's easy, get a vx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What year VX do you jump? I've jumped a 70 vx many times but it was an old one. Unbelievably high front riser pressure. Has that changed? i jump a 85 vx from late 2002. it still has high front riser pressure. you'll get that on about any crossbraced canopy. at least compared to your stiletto. the stiletto has very light riser presure, well to me anyway. and to what rdutch said about them being able to glide well, hell ya they do. i had a 84 fx (2.3), and i was able to stay next to a guy under a fury 220, and this guy is about 150 pounds out the door. and my vx is even flatter!! now i had more speed than he did, but i was able to stay with him, and i think he was riding a little brakes. just my $.02 later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headdown10 0 #35 January 22, 2003 No doubt you were able to stay up with that furry220 it was probably all baffed out and was sinking like a weight vest. As far as the stiletto goes i think i'll stick to a stiletto until these other manufacturers start to send demos north to us CanadiansSHUT UP & JUMP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySlut 0 #36 January 22, 2003 I am assuming that PD is coming out with a Stilleto 2. When I was in Deland, I saw the PD guys test jumping a 9 cell, elliptical, non crossbraced and non-airlocked canopy. It had no labels on it, so I am assuming that they are making changes to the Stilleto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #37 January 22, 2003 Quote No doubt you were able to stay up with that furry220 it was probably all baffed out and was sinking like a weight vest. well i'm not to sure what you mean by baffed out, i guessing you mean worn out . well, your wrong if that is what you were thinking, it was relitivilly new. and that isn't the only canopy that i have stayed up a long side with. i was hanging next to a girl just the other day with a heatwave 190 and exit weight of maybe 150, out the outside (under my vx) later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #38 January 23, 2003 I beleive you Derek docked on me under crossfire 116 @ 1.1:1 and him under a VX 60 @ 3.1:1.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headdown10 0 #39 January 23, 2003 Wow! I'm impressed but i would like to see it.SHUT UP & JUMP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #40 January 23, 2003 Quote Wow! I'm impressed but i would like to see it. with what?? me being able to stay next to the girl with a heatwave?? if so, come to my dz, and i can show ya later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #41 January 23, 2003 QuoteI beleive you Derek docked on me under crossfire 116 @ 1.1:1 and him under a VX 60 @ 3.1:1. ya, it's amazing how well you can get these thing to slow down and float so well. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #42 January 23, 2003 Quote Wow! I'm impressed but i would like to see it. Will this work? It's one I took as he is about to grab my pilot chute btw...he steering lines are really long so he really isn't in that deep of brakes.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headdown10 0 #43 January 23, 2003 Cool pic. Works for me and i just might take you up on a trip to your DZ Peace outSHUT UP & JUMP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #44 January 23, 2003 Quote btw...he steering lines are really long so he really isn't in that deep of brakes. hell, almost any brakes under a 60 sq ft. canopy is deep damn though, that thing looks like fun, i want to jump it later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tinystiletto 0 #45 January 24, 2003 I have had the same experience, I demoed a 120, a 107 and a 97. The 120 didn't have the low end lift that the 107 does. I dont know why. I jump a 107 now and load it at 2.0. I can sink it in or swoop it, great all around canopy and the openings are schweet. Jazz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
