MrHixxx 0 #1 February 13, 2003 I noticed Shanon Pilcher has a piece of shock cord with a dowel on the end around the top flap of his rig. I also know he uses it to stash his slider. Does anyone know more about the design and how it works? thanx, Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #2 February 13, 2003 HooknSwoop made me a slider stower that slides over my reserve flap, and has a velcro fastener on it, check with him, it really works well if you don't have a rw suit with one already on it.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #3 February 13, 2003 >HooknSwoop made me a slider stower that slides over my reserve flap . . . I would strongly recommend not using such a device with any canopy you can line-twist in normal flight. There has already been one death where the jumper could not cut away a line-twisted canopy because the slider was stowed on his jumpsuit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #4 February 14, 2003 BillVon: are you for real? do you theorize that VELCRO can hold a jumpers weight upon cut-away? i've had many disscussions about this very thing with a lot of people, and it won't hold up. the one case where it did happen had to just have been a freak accident.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #5 February 14, 2003 QuoteI would strongly recommend not using such a device with any canopy you can line-twist in normal flight. There has already been one death where the jumper could not cut away a line-twisted canopy because the slider was stowed on his jumpsuit. The ones I make go on the reserve flap and definately would not hold a jumpers weight in the off chance of cutting away after stowing the slider. Which fatality? I missed that one. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JumpHog 0 #6 February 14, 2003 Quoteare you for real? do you theorize that VELCRO can hold a jumpers weight upon cut-away? i've had many disscussions about this very thing with a lot of people, and it won't hold up. the one case where it did happen had to just have been a freak accident. Although it seems highly unlikely that a thin strip of velcro is going to hold an entire jumper's suspended weight, I believe that was the thinking behind putting the slider stow on the reserve flap. In the event of the main hanging up on the slider stow after a cutaway, pulling the reserve would open the top flap, allowing the slider stow to slip off of the flap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #7 February 14, 2003 QuoteBillVon: are you for real? do you theorize that VELCRO can hold a jumpers weight upon cut-away? i've had many disscussions about this very thing with a lot of people, and it won't hold up. the one case where it did happen had to just have been a freak accident. I would not attach a canopy to my jumpsuit. The mal Bill speaks of can and will happen. the velco doesn't have to hold your weight, the parachute collapses, then you fire your reserve into what? a trailing mess. The better slider stow systems are the ones that go on the reserve flap that can slide off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billdo 0 #8 February 14, 2003 I have never used any kind of slider stowe, until I went straight to my rigger and had him sew "stoppers" onto my front risers right by the three rings. After collapsing I pull the slider behind my hear and it's locked down without having to do anything else. Just pull it down and it stays down behind the head. The tabs he made were essentially doubled over webbing sewn lengthwise on the slider, with only the top side tacked on, so the grommets easily slide down over them, but not up against them (takes a very, very small effort to get slider back over them once on the ground). Please give this a thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #9 February 14, 2003 Quote I would not attach a canopy to my jumpsuit. The mal Bill speaks of can and will happen. the velco doesn't have to hold your weight, the parachute collapses, then you fire your reserve into what? a trailing mess. The better slider stow systems are the ones that go on the reserve flap that can slide off. I agree, if the velcro did hold (figure the odds), having the slider keeper on the reserve flap gives it another place it can come de-tached, and if it doesn't it should come off when the reserve is fired. If the reserve PC entangles with the main, you get the Skyhook action without the Skyhook priceHook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #10 February 14, 2003 QuoteThe better slider stow systems are the ones that go on the reserve flap that can slide off. did you miss it? Quotemade me a slider stower that slides over my reserve flap--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #11 February 14, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe better slider stow systems are the ones that go on the reserve flap that can slide off. did you miss it? Quotemade me a slider stower that slides over my reserve flap miss what? I was responding to your comment in regards to a velcro keeper not releasing per Billvon? maybe I misread something.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 February 14, 2003 I've seen a keeper that goes over the reserve cover that would not release if the velcro got stuck. It caught on the tuck tabs on the Javelin's reserve flap.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grosfion 0 #13 February 14, 2003 Just a question: What is wrong with pulling the slider behind your neck???? blues Marcus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #14 February 14, 2003 QuoteI've seen a keeper that goes over the reserve cover that would not release if the velcro got stuck. It caught on the tuck tabs on the Javelin's reserve flap. o.k. let's "assume" that your slider is in the stowed position, after a normal sequential deployment. you have your brakes unset, your controlability check has been made, your S.S.S. the only reason the slider keeper could cause you any problems whatsoever is self induced, unrecoverable line twists that would cause a cut-away and reserve ride, because if you have line twist first, it's highly unlikely you'll get the slider down to you. correct? in any event, velcro is velcro, and will not support a jumpers weight. the man asked about a slider stowage system, and i referred him to what i deem a safe slider stowage system. i will continue to utilize mine, i've tried putting it behind my kneck after i collapse it, the turbulence keeps popping it back up, and it's a pain. the keeper you refer to, you say you saw it hang up on the tuck tabs, would you care to expound? what was the final outcome? in either event, if it does hang up on the tuck tabs and you fire the reserve, it's gonna come off and release the main. it's physically and mechanically 98% impossible for the slider keeper to keep a jumper attached to his main after the 3 ring system releases, velcro just won't support the weight. after this controversial post i took a fish scale, and attached it to my slider keeper utilizing a pull up chord for a hanging device, the most weight it would hold without coming undone and dropping the container was approx. 8-10 pounds the first experiment, the reserve tuck tabs came undone, and the keeper came off and dropped the rig on the living room floor, i'm assuming the tuck tabs were not properly fastened? and my rig weighs exactly 18 1/2 pounds, so if it wont hold that much weight it can't hold anymore.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #15 February 14, 2003 The system I saw and attempted to make for my self consisted of a piece of elastic webbing that was sewn into a loop with a piece of webbing tacked onto the outside of it. The loop was made so that it would rest at the top of the flap on a Javelin, above the tuck tabs. Attached to the webbing was a loop of elastic containing both portions of the velcro. Once I put it on my rig I knew that the design was a death trap since I had grabbed insustrial strength velcro instead of the regular stuff. Having the loop go above the tuck tabs is a bad idea since it will not slide over them once installed.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billdo 0 #16 February 14, 2003 QuoteI have never used any kind of slider stowe, until I went straight to my rigger and had him sew "stoppers" onto my front risers right by the three rings. After collapsing I pull the slider behind my hear and it's locked down without having to do anything else. Just pull it down and it stays down behind the head. The tabs he made were essentially doubled over webbing sewn lengthwise on the slider, with only the top side tacked on, so the grommets easily slide down over them, but not up against them (takes a very, very small effort to get slider back over them once on the ground). Please give this a thought. I posted this and no one has said anything. If you use this system the slider is not connected to either the rig or the jumper - by velcro or any other means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #17 February 14, 2003 typically no news is good news, I've actually seen this system in operation, works well.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #18 February 14, 2003 LOL.... Damn, sounds like the perfect solution......HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #19 February 14, 2003 Quotein any event, velcro is velcro, and will not support a jumpers weight. The Velcro only has to support the drag of the canopy, not the weight of the jumper. Wierder things have happened. Also remember that nothing is impossible, just improbable. KrisSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #20 February 14, 2003 QuoteThe Velcro only has to support the drag of the canopy, not the weight of the jumper. Wierder things have happened. Thats true. Also, you have to worry about how the velcro is positioned. The peel strength of velcro is quite low, but ever tried to pull it apart in shear? It's very hard...-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #21 February 14, 2003 Back on the original topic.... I've seen Shanon's set up and my understanding is that it's as simple as it looks. The shock cord loop is already set fairly taut before it's placed over the flap. I'm working on it myself. it just doesn't quite hold enough when I make it. Let me know if you figure it out.Ken "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johan 0 #22 February 14, 2003 Exactly and with the male female velcro attached and twisted you can pull a car with it iv´e tried. Show life respect, in every aspect... Dont kill the fly... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psw097 0 #23 February 14, 2003 This sounds like a great solution. Do you have any digital stills? It would help with placement, etc. The riser inserts might get in the way. I currently have a velcro lock on my jumpsuit. My feelings on that are: most emergencies will happen a long time before I get to stowing my slider, it'll detach easily anyway, don't use an RSL if you attach your slider to the jumpsuit or reserve flap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #24 February 14, 2003 QuoteI noticed Shanon Pilcher has a piece of shock cord with a dowel on the end around the top flap of his rig. I also know he uses it to stash his slider. Does anyone know more about the design and how it works? thanx, Hixxx I have the same system as Shannon on one of my rig's. On the slider there is a little tab sewn into it to attatch a rubber band. when you Open you pull your slider down and attatch the rubber band onto the little ball, attatched to your rig. Theory is, a rubber band will break and actually doesn't hold onto the ball totally, the rubber band is bigger than the ball and is held on to it by force. In a cutaway it will place slack onto the ball and release, or just break. I like this system, and would have it on both rigs but Im too lazy to put it on, for now. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #25 February 14, 2003 Where on the slider is the rubberband loop? Is it on the topside or bottom side? I am thinking I would have it sewn into the bottomside tail of the slider to keep it insulated from the HMA lines on my Xaos when it is quartered in a pack job. Thoughts??? -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
