so tell me what you think of my swoop

[skygod7777 0]

do you think i should change anything in your opinion (i would be holding the rears longer, but i kinda had to move a bit to the side so i wouldn't hit brandon, and i haven't done much carving on rears, or at least around people )

heres the vid

http://www.jumpinduo.com/vids/kellyswoop.wmv


right click, save target as or what ever.

hell, just let me know what you think of it.


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[rhino 0]

schweeeeeeeet!!!!

[skygod7777 0]

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schweeeeeeeet!!!!

thanks


to bad i couldn't of done that at rantoul during that one jump or competion oh well, this year...............

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[christopherm 0]

It looked unnecessarily dangerous. Couldn't you build the same amount of speed out of a well executed 270.

-So, how hard is the ground?!

[Kris 0]

Nicely executed, Kelly! I like how you never had to touch the toggles to plane the canopy out, very safely done.

Kris

Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™

[flyboyshell 0]

Nice One!!!

Blue Skies!!!

FlyBoyShell
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[christopherm 0]

I agree, turned out very nice!

-So, how hard is the ground?!

[grasshopper 0]

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I like how you never had to touch the toggles to plane the canopy out, very safely done.

maybe he didn't use the toggles because it was a rear riser swoop?

[Kris 0]

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maybe he didn't use the toggles because it was a rear riser swoop?

Whoops. That's what I get for skimming instead of reading. You can't tell from the video.


Kris

Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™

[Hooknswoop 19]

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I like how you never had to touch the toggles to plane the canopy out, very safely done.

Some canopies (smaller) won't plane out w/o riser or toggle input.

Nice swoop Sky!

Hook

[skygod7777 0]

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It looked unnecessarily dangerous. Couldn't you build the same amount of speed out of a well executed 270.

why do you say it looked unnecessarily dangerous?? because it was a 540??? it wasn't low that's for sure.

but yes, i could do the same swoop, probably more accurate (like in a lane) with a 270, but i really like the 540's, there fun.


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[skygod7777 0]

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Nicely executed, Kelly! I like how you never had to touch the toggles to plane the canopy out, very safely done.

thanks

but i was on rears, it is hard to tell, but i will post some still, where you can see pretty clearly that i was on rears, and went to toggles like right before i went by him.


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[Yoshi 0]

being at work I cant view the video, but if it is anything like most of your landings I am sure its pretty sweet... Ill have to check it out when I get home..
laters
-yoshi

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[Treejumps 0]

Well, it was a decent swoop. The 540 looked like a waste of time since you had to do nearly a 90 to get going the direction you wanted. I noticed you had to run off a lot of speed at the end. This would indicated taht somhting is not as it should be. You should be able to bring a VX in to complete shutdown (skid to a stop). It looked to me as if you lost a bunch of speed with the major correction, and that is probably why you had to run it out. A well timed 270 or 360 would go twice as far.

You asked.

Tree

[skygod7777 0]

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Well, it was a decent swoop. The 540 looked like a waste of time since you had to do nearly a 90 to get going the direction you wanted. I noticed you had to run off a lot of speed at the end. This would indicated taht somhting is not as it should be. You should be able to bring a VX in to complete shutdown (skid to a stop). It looked to me as if you lost a bunch of speed with the major correction, and that is probably why you had to run it out. A well timed 270 or 360 would go twice as far.

your right, i asked. but, i only have like 15 jumps under the canopy, so i don't have everything timed just perfect yet.

and to shutting it down, it really isn't shutting it down, if you have to skid on your feet, that just means you don't run . but i usally can get the other vx's that i have jumped to stop completely, or just take a few steps. and there also was no wind that day, so what ever .


i'm not sure if a 270 or 360 would go twice as far, but they may go further. if i get the 540 timed just right, it should go much further than what i did, i kinda over cranked a bit , that's why i had to come back 90.

hey, and 540's are more fun damnit . i did 270's with my fx, and 360's and 540's and all that. i got pretty much the same swoop out of all of them, maybe the longest from the 360.

but hey, thanks for the opinion. i did ask
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[skygod7777 0]

ya, kevin, you should of been out. it was all warm and all that, nice, no wind. hell, i almost went to altitude, but then i got a bit cold just wearing shorts on the hop'n pop, so i desided not to.



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[grega 0]

Sorry for the stupid question but, how did you make the 540 turn? with toggles or front risers? I can't see from the video. And it seems a little to fast turn ratio for front risers, but i've never seen a vx 85 flying, so i'm not sure.

"George just lucky i guess!"

[AggieDave 6]

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and to shutting it down, it really isn't shutting it down, if you have to skid on your feet, that just means you don't run

Yes and no. Skidding is much different then running, since skidding partially unloads the canopy, which slows the stall speed down. Thus, you're able to keep flying your canopy much longer, completely shutting it down. By the time that you actually reach the stall speed of the canopy, you're going to be standing still, due to the longer you skid, the more weight you're transfering off the canopy, the slower the canopy's stall speed becomes, etc.

There's a reason why people do that instead of running.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

I like the video, but your "540" is actually more than a 720 with a 90-left correction at the end. It's the opposite correction that killed your distance and speed, but your rear-risering was clean. Can't really say that your accuracy was off, because you may have missed Brandon by a foot and I am sure that the point of the swoop was to get the video. You came out of your turn plenty high as was evidenced by your lack of "dig" and your ability to get to your rears cleanly, but in the end this was a perfect example of why we on tour don't throw turns more than 270 (with few exceptions). The dramatic spiralling descent was for naught because you lost the great majority of your speed by coming out of that spiral off-heading and had to induce a major correction to get back on target. While cool to watch when perfectly executed, it is far less often "the thrill of victory", but more likely "the agony of defeat" in competition. Andy Anderson and Mikeal Stevens throw turns like this on tour.

Chuck

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

Also, as to "shutting it down," I can tell you that you had plenty more distance left on your rears before you needed to transition. You were zooming past Brandon. Also, I can tell by the speed at which you were running at the end that you didn't complete your flare. You can get away with that easily if you intend to slide, but if you are going to walk/run/try to avoid tripping on your face, then you need to flare completely. The video didn't show it, but I could definitely tell. Anyway, like I said earlier, it was a clean rear riser entry so you should be happy. Resist the urge to transfer so soon and you will go MUCH farther.

Chuck

[ianmdrennan 2]

Re: Andy Anderson...this was shot at the Lebanon ME swoop meet last year.

http://www.freekfly.com/video/

be warned...it's not pretty.

Blue skies and safe swoops
Ian

Performance Designs Factory Team

[AggieDave 6]

Lucky! Lucky that was sand and lucky he still wasn't seriously hurt.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[skygod7777 0]

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Sorry for the stupid question but, how did you make the 540 turn? with toggles or front risers? I can't see from the video. And it seems a little to fast turn ratio for front risers, but i've never seen a vx 85 flying, so i'm not sure.

risers/harness

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[skygod7777 0]

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Yes and no. Skidding is much different then running, since skidding partially unloads the canopy, which slows the stall speed down. Thus, you're able to keep flying your canopy much longer, completely shutting it down. By the time that you actually reach the stall speed of the canopy, you're going to be standing still, due to the longer you skid, the more weight you're transfering off the canopy, the slower the canopy's stall speed becomes, etc.

There's a reason why people do that instead of running.

i agree to a point. but what it really comes down to is skidding requires less work, and if the ground wasn't as muddy as it was, i would of be skidding on my feet, but when i did it the day before, my shoe kinda sunk in, and i about fell, so i decided it wasn't a good idea because the ground wasn't any drier

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[skygod7777 0]

but your "540" is actually more than a 720 with a 90-left correction at the end

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kinda, i would say right between, but that's me.

It's the opposite correction that killed your distance and speed,

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ya, i tried to keep as much as i could, by being easy coming back around, but you can only do so much when you over crank it like i did oh well.

Can't really say that your accuracy was off, because you may have missed Brandon by a foot and I am sure that the point of the swoop was to get the video.

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hehe, ya, i had just told brandon to go out there and stay in one place, and if he had to move to go right, and then i would too, so hopefull we wouldn't hit if he moved.

but in the end this was a perfect example of why we on tour don't throw turns more than 270 (with few exceptions).

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right, i will do like a 270 or 360 when we are running a little course that we set up at the dz, but this was just a fun thing to do. i like doing them, there fun, even if i over do it, and don't go as far because of it. it was still a lot of fun

Andy Anderson and Mikeal Stevens throw turns like this on tour.

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well, i haven't seen mikeal in competion, but i have seen him at the richmond boggie, doing turns like this.

and andy, i've seen him do them also, or more i think he does 720's doesn't he. i know jeff mullins does, at rantoul that's what he was doing.



******Also, as to "shutting it down," I can tell you that you had plenty more distance left on your rears before you needed to transition.

ya, i said above, i knew i needed to wait, but i kinda had to move a bit to the side so i wouldn't hit him, and i haven't tried doing any sort of carving on rears yet, and i didn't figure that i should when i was coming so close to bradon.

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Also, I can tell by the speed at which you were running at the end that you didn't complete your flare.

yup, i let up a bit early, oh well

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Anyway, like I said earlier, it was a clean rear riser entry so you should be happy. Resist the urge to transfer so soon and you will go MUCH farther.

well, that's good to know, i'll keep working on it, i'm sure i'll have a couple more vids to post with some better swoops on them.


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