To start swooping

[mikeat10500 12]

You might want to take a look at this before you make your decision (the website is down at the moment, but it will likely be up by Monday).

[AndyMan 7]

No, but if I had been under something not as heavily loaded and not a high performance canopy, then I probably wouldn't have been in that situation to begin with AND I wouldn't have burned through as much altitude as I did fixing it.

I once had my Triathlon loaded at 1.2 spin up. Any canopy can spin up and put you on your back. Yes, it was diving incredibly quickly too. My pro-track didn't notice any change in freefall speed.

You could have just as easily been in that situation under my old Triathlon had you wasted too much time trying to fix it.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[AggieDave 6]

So you're trying to say that your Tri loaded at 1.2 dropped altitude as quickly as my Heatwave loaded at 1.7? That's pretty hard to believe.

The point is, yes I fucked up, I've admited that, I'm not trying to blame the canopy and never was. I was just saying that the higher performance you go and the high-wingloading you go, the faster things happen and the quicker everything can go bad, very bad.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[hookitt 1]

Dave don't worry about the flames. (which I imagine you really aren't too concerned)

We all screw up and you did it big but In the long run, it all worked out. Now you have at least one real life example that didn't, but could have, killed you to share with others. I certainly appreciate the grand effort.

I've kicked out of some pretty severe spinning line twists. I've also cut away with in one spiral as it went for a dive. It was easy to tell it was hopeless.

I'm just happy it worked out for you. What does not kill you makes you stronger.

-

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[Yoshi 0]

I dont think it was his inability... I mean he is alive and here right...so obviously (to me) he had the ABILITY to deal with it...
just my 2 cents..
-yoshi

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[AndyMan 7]

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So you're trying to say that your Tri loaded at 1.2 dropped altitude as quickly as my Heatwave loaded at 1.7? That's pretty hard to believe.

A wing pointed at the ground does not generate vertical lift.

Yes, larger wings have more drag, but vertical lift is the primary "decelerator" in a modern canopy. Larger wings will obviously drop slower because of the higher drag, but the difference is negligible.

Point a wing at the ground, and it will fall. Fast. 747, 182, or Pitts: it won't be pretty.

Not trying to chew your ass, just pointing out that a bigger canopy would not necesarily have changed the outcome by a considerable margin. It would have decreased the odds of you being in the situation in the first place, though.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[Rixterman 0]

Yes ChuckMan is correct in my fledgling bird man days I did in fact hook the piss out of a parafoil 252 using the rear risers just remember sometimes u have to burn to learn.

TREE CLIMBIN, PARAFOIL HOOKIN, SLIDER STOWIN MO FO

[freakydiver 0]

"I think that 150+ jumps is not enough experience with canopies in general to start swooping a canopy."

This is not true at all IMHO. Whats wrong with straight in double riser approaches for a hundred jumps?? I did just that from about 150-225 before putting in 15 degree increments into my landing patterns.

I don't think people realize that they can get decent surfs from double fronts...

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[johnny1488 1]

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I don't think people realize that they can get decent surfs from double fronts...

People thought I was out of it when I started double fronts at about 75 jumps while they said "I wont hook until I have 1000 jumps". I did some realy cool shit on my 209 and now I feel tons more comfortable on every canopy I fly.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[freakydiver 0]

Exactly!!!!!!
Its funny how easily that fact is overlooked. People just want to "look cool" with a turn on final. Do it for yourself not to "look cool".

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[sneaky 0]

a few words spring too mind....

slowly slowly softley gentley monkey

its a big Long learning curve....... take it slow...
and unless you getting 100% out of your canopy you have no need to change ( unless its really bad or not suitable ).For a canopy youre gonna need something reliable and suitable for your weight and experience .Concentrate on Accuracy and your freeflying ( remember for us pros the swoop is the icing on the cake at the End of the skydive ) learn the canopy and how it respond in all conditions when thats perfect,then your ready to take the step to learning your swoop technique..

I didnt start even trying to swoop until about 800 jumps and now these have progressed too 270' long carving riser turns...( But only when its the right conditions.. and I feel up for it..( All the time baby!!! )