xing 0 #1 June 16, 2003 Sorry for languages mistake. I've a question. I use Stiletto 120 and I did about 300 jumps with it. Three times I was in line twist with turns and I had to cutaway. I think the cutaway average is very high. Why line twist on stiletto is not recoverable? or Have I to do anythink for avoid it? thank you X ing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #2 June 16, 2003 since 297 openings went fine and 3 went like shit....It doesn't seem to be a manufacture's issue...I'd concentrate on packing, body position, and steering the opening. (Just my opinion...not an expert by any means.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Professor 0 #3 June 16, 2003 QuoteSorry for languages mistake. I've a question. I use Stiletto 120 and I did about 300 jumps with it. Three times I was in line twist with turns and I had to cutaway. I think the cutaway average is very high. Why line twist on stiletto is not recoverable? or Have I to do anythink for avoid it? thank you X ing I've got a stiletto 120 with about 250 jumps (from me) on it. I've never chopped it. I've had it twist up a couple times, but always fly pretty much straight. I always try to make sure my pack job is semetrical, and have good body position (level hips, especially). Other than that, make sure the canopy itself is in good shape/in trim. Ted Like a giddy school girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #4 June 16, 2003 Body position! If it spins up, grab your risers and get them even if possible with your hands and harness input. Once even, the canopy should fly straight and allow you to kick out of the twists if the canopy doesn't undo it itself. Good luck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyfrog 0 #5 June 16, 2003 I have thousands of jumps on a Stiletto 107 and only one chop... because of spinning line twists after a skysurf jump (all my fault... I was still turning slightly during deployment). First avoid getting line twists by careful packing (I leave about 18" of unstowed line in the bottom of my container) and good body position on opening. Then, if the canopy gets line twists, I check for traffic and if clear I just sit level in the harness and let the twists work themselves out. I think kicking out of line twists on a Stiletto can make matters worse by putting you in an asymmetrical position in the harness. I have only had twists a handful of times, and this method has worked FOR ME every time. Hope this helped. Ciao! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #6 June 16, 2003 QuoteSorry for languages mistake. Why line twist on stiletto is not recoverable? or Have I to do anythink for avoid it? thank you X ing I suspect that once the canopy is fully open, line twists are un-recoverable from normal skydiving deployment altitudes under any canopy that has enough over-steer or will spiral from harness shifts with the brakes stowed. This covers most elliptical canopies. Good body position on opening will minimize the chances of something happening, although there's enough chaos at 120 MPH that you get an occassional wierd opening anyways. If you feel the canopy starting to turn, shift your weight to counter it. If things feel wierd, pull the risers appart and deal with any line twists before the canopy is done snivelling. I used to cutaway a lot (about every 150 jumps) before I figured that out. Afterwards, I got 500-600 jumps out of my Stiletto 120 before it spun-up. Could have been inattention; could have been the trim (the lines were shot). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #7 June 16, 2003 I have several thousand jumps on a stiletto 120 135 and a 97 combined. Most are on the 97. The biggest thing on opening is to just leave it alone. toss the pilot chute and stay square. Don't steer it or help it open. Just let it do it's thing. Steer it when it's ready to fly. You can direct it a little bit with harness input but takes time to get the feel of. Most problems are corrected by good packing and placement into the container, Square body position and just plain Leaving it alone on opening. Not all line twists are unrecoverable. Other wise I'd have a boatload of cutaways.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #8 June 16, 2003 Yeah... I know I am cursing myself, but I had a boatload of jumps on my St 120 (in excess of 2000 I am guessing) and have never chopped it. I concur, don't fuck with it while opening, pack a little bit careful, and you will be OK. However, if you feel it start to spin up, GET ON IT. I have kicked out of spinning line twists more than once, probably because I recognized it before it got unrecoverable... I am sure there are some instances where you are screwed from the get go, and I never was subject to these, however... anyway, have fun with it. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auryn 0 #9 June 17, 2003 QuoteI have several thousand jumps on a stiletto 120 135 and a 97 combined. Most are on the 97. The biggest thing on opening is to just leave it alone. toss the pilot chute and stay square. Don't steer it or help it open. Just let it do it's thing. Steer it when it's ready to fly. You can direct it a little bit with harness input but takes time to get the feel of. Most problems are corrected by good packing and placement into the container, Square body position and just plain Leaving it alone on opening. Not all line twists are unrecoverable. Other wise I'd have a boatload of cutaways. I will second this. I jump a Jonathan 150, perhaps the most notorious canopy for spinning up and diving. I also jump camera, and that is the best thing for my deployments... here's why. I get nice and square, throw out, and then look straight down, ignoring my canopy until opening shock and the slider is halfway down the lines.. THEN I look up and steer the remainder of the opening to get on heading. I have only spun up once, 2 line twists, spinning, and got out of it fine. Don't over control the canopy on opening. Blue Ones ! Bryan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 June 17, 2003 QuoteI suspect that once the canopy is fully open, line twists are un-recoverable from normal skydiving deployment altitudes under any canopy that has enough over-steer or will spiral from harness shifts with the brakes stowed. This covers most elliptical canopies. I have kicked out of my Stiletto several times. I have also chopped it 5 times in 2,200 jumps. I have had to chop my Velocity once...I could have gotten out, but I would have been LOW and over trees. Leave 18" between the risers and the pack job...I also tie my risers together, and have found that helps. Ron"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
