Yoshi 0 #26 June 18, 2003 So when you use rears do you hold the rears till there is almost no more juice and stab the toggles or make a transition to toggles sooner in the swoop to avoide the stab at the end? I have seen it done both ways and I am curious to know which is more efficient for the length and speed, and why people do it both ways. I figure jsut because of the aerodynamics of it holding the rears and stabbing at the end may go further, my logic is because you wouldnt be changing the shape in the airfoil until you have already used all of what it has to offer, but I guess if the canopy design has really well slow peed toggle flight characteristics it may be better on the toggles... for those of you out there that do use rears what do you do and why? -yoshi_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #27 June 18, 2003 I don't have the experience that you do on a Crossfire2, but with every other canopy I've flown, smooth is the key. I'm sure that transition from risers to toggles varies with different canopies, but in every case the smoother the transition, the less energy lost...should translate into more energy, more distance. Have fun, Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #28 June 18, 2003 QuoteIt's my understanding that cross braced canopies are designed with a much steeper glide angle, or angle of attack, than a non cross braced canopy. Angle of attack on crossbraced canopies is virtually identical to non-crossbraced canopies... Higher wingloadings generally get them to the ground quicker, but angle of attack, incidence and glide are for the most part very similar with all canopies. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #29 June 18, 2003 QuotePeople should learn the use of rear risers on every canopy they jump. And they should learn to rear riser to a full stop landing... (a broken steering line is not a reason, alone, to chop a canopy). Thanks Chris, that's what I said a few weeks (months?) ago. Know how to fly your canopy with all the different inputs... ...and if you simply "can't" than maybe you're on the wrong canopy for you! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 0 #30 June 18, 2003 I agree and my 1 landing to date with only rears was on a light to no wind day (which I was actually hoping for...for more of a realistic worse cased senario) and it was pretty easy to set down. I think rears are kindof like toggles they are sometimes tricky when learning how to do it, but once you have got it down its just second nature. I dont feel that rears are more difficult than toggles on a swoop (granted its one more thing to physically grab) but if you fly with toggles in hand then if you mis judge the risers you can switch fairly easily to toggles... the first 5 or so jumps using rears I only used them to plane out the canopy and then immediately switched to toggles.. not I am finding myself about 50-75% thru my swoop before I let up and as I stated in a few cases waiting until the very last drop of energy is there to pop the flare on the toggles. -yoshi_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
