freefly68 0 #26 July 18, 2003 Hi just a few new pictures from the R.A.G.E. the dive of it is very impressive. (i get numbers after this weekend) and the best, after a 360° front raiser turn, it is possible to get a lift off of up to 60-70m (160 - 210 feet) when you go in deep brakes. and when you perform a full stall the R.A.G.E. hang only on it´s a & b lines, c & d are lose. and no , the R.A.G.E. nose isn´t a speed brake. the horizontal speed of the 107 is much more higher then on a 85 x-wing i will cut a video in a few hours blues Frankprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #27 July 18, 2003 Yep, that's definitely the main I saw at the PIA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #28 July 18, 2003 Cool! I wanna see .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 0 #29 July 18, 2003 I know you said its not, but just looking at the nose it looks like it is air locked...accept without a seperate piece of fabric, it is just all one continuous piece from the top skin... if you cut the front 4-5 inches off the nose it would look like a stilletto nose, with it the way that it is it looks like a vengance nose accept all one piece... just my 2 ones -yoshi ps: it would also explain the good handling in turbulance_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefly68 0 #30 July 18, 2003 Hi just after 1 hour of rendering, the $&%§$"& windows xp fucked up. so for the moment just a small video at: http:\\www.bffs.info\images\rage.avi blues Frank P.S.: next weekend i will jump the R.A.G.E. at Spa /Belgiumprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #32 July 18, 2003 Clicky no worky dammitt! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #33 July 18, 2003 The clicky works fine, lip! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #34 July 21, 2003 Quote The clicky works fine Hmmm...not for me. I get a "URL NOT FOUND" error. Maybe my computer is just lost on the super highway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pliz 0 #35 July 21, 2003 Quote*** I get a "URL NOT FOUND" error. This url may work better (as for me): alternate URL But AVI is't working, because it is of "IV50" data format, unrecognized by my macintosh ! :-( Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #36 July 22, 2003 Yes......that one works much better for me. That looks FUN!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefly68 0 #37 July 24, 2003 Hi because of the troubles with my OS the video will be on air not before monday. so the weather is good, i´ll jump the R.A.G.E. on saturday in Spa. blues Frankprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #38 July 28, 2003 unlike the closed nose of some paragliders canopies (they are reinforced by stiff mylar) there should be no reduction in inlet drag with the rage design over the same canopy with a fully open nose. basically due to the bottom skin scoop and the fact that the closed portion can not follow the airfoil contour. additionally the closed portion is not in a fashion to brace the nose for reducing spanwise distortion (see the images, non loaded rib higher than loaded). the slower speed of the 85 x brace vs the 107 rage simply means the 85 is generating much more lift than your 107. but hey it looks cool... sincerely, dan<><>Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefly68 0 #39 July 28, 2003 Hi Dan first of all, the 85 x-wing is not a crossbraced canopy and the x-wing is not generating much more lift than the rage. the video is ready but a little to big (13mb) so i will compress it with divx. i think in a few hours it will be online. what could you expect: A toogle full stall and the canopie stays nearly in chape. starting from the same altitude, after a double frontraiser dive the R.A.G.E. came up again to the same level but see for yourself blues frankprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefly68 0 #40 July 28, 2003 Hi me again, and here it is: http://home.tiscali.de/vvjgermany/rage1.avi i hope the url works. the video is nealy 2 minutes long and around 6mb (divx 5.05 codec) blues Frankprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazy 0 #41 July 29, 2003 Quote unlike the closed nose of some paragliders canopies (they are reinforced by stiff mylar) there should be no reduction in inlet drag with the rage design over the same canopy with a fully open nose. basically due to the bottom skin scoop and the fact that the closed portion can not follow the airfoil contour. this is an interesting comment. Now i'm wondering why so many manufacturers are trying to close the nose as much as possible... Just kidding (keeping the nose as close as possible significantly reduces the turbulences generated by the leading edge, specially on the top skin). If i understand their design properly, it is brilliant. The inlet drag is probably only slightly reduced on the bottom skin (a secondary problem), but it is significantly reduced on the top skin because the nose is closed from the bottom. This probably makes a very efficient leading edge. In addition, the bottom skin scoop might lock the accumulation point in front of the very small inlet (might improve the pressurization and reduce the risk of collapse). Quote additionally the closed portion is not in a fashion to brace the nose for reducing spanwise distortion (see the images, non loaded rib higher than loaded). of course not (it is not x-braced), but it will still help the inlets to keep the proper shape. Quotethe slower speed of the 85 x brace vs the 107 rage simply means the 85 is generating much more lift than your 107. the x-wing is just a "normal" (not x-braced) high aspect ratio 9 cell, with a very efficient nose, a good airfoil, and a nice trim. A real bomb. Anyway, besides the trivial fact that the slowest generates more lift, it would be interesting to know why the rage goes faster. The airfoil of the rage is at least as efficient as the airfoil of the x-wing; hence, either it is significantly thinner, or the angle of attack is significantly smaller (or both). In both cases, a superior design of the nose helps a lot. I'm wondering why they don't produce it in small sizes.-- Come Skydive Asia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #42 July 29, 2003 What? The R.A.G.E.? The one I saw was an 85 I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefly68 0 #43 July 29, 2003 Hi Crazy After jumping the Rage this weekend, I took the time to have Stefan at Paratec explain to me all the facts behind the Rage design. This is what I understand and yes this design is absolutely brilliant. What is does is, it keeps the overspilling air at the leading edge from flowing over the top skin, disturbing the laminar airflow. It actively disposes the overspill to the bottom skin where it is not as damaging to aerodynamics. Therefore you can take a very thin airfoil section, which obviously has a thinner nose. This reduces the nose drag dramatically. Normally thin airfoils have a rather insufficient slow flight ability. It can be noticed in a rather high stall speed, meaning the speed when you have to put your feet to the ground. In most cases you still have to run out your swoop. The rage airfoil in combination with the "air guiding engine" design resembles a fast , highly aerodynamic wing, with a unusually good slow flight performance. Just picture a F 16 Falcon that can land like a Pilatus Porter. The Rage design also controls the pressure point inside each cell, which is crutial to keep every ram air wing proberly preasurized. This is why you cannot stall a wing which is loaded at 2.3. It is absolutely amazing to see in a full stall, how your rear risers go totally slack and you are still under a inflated canopy ( with 50 % totally deflected ). And yes, this enhances the stability in turbulences. Unlike the classic airlock, which acts to the rear of the cell, the RAGE design takes control of the most important part of any ram air canopy, which is the nose. If you look up in flight is is razor sharp and very defined. Just like on a rigid wing you see on aircrafts. By running the pannels inside each cell, it is in line with the relative wind. Therefore there is absolutely no nose distortion unlike all other designs on the market today which have just blunt sewn down closed off cells, causing the relative wind to push the nose back, distorting it and eventually increasing the nose drag. As far as I could find out, Paratec has very silently developed the RAGE system over the last 3 years. In my opinion it resembles just the same break through design to hit the parachute market as Bill Coe's x braced design back from 1990. ( Excalibur ). blues Frankprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefly68 0 #44 July 29, 2003 Hi Skymonkey, the 107 will not be the only size for the R.A.G.E. 86 will be the next, maybe a 70. and also a 120. blues Frankprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #45 July 29, 2003 damnit, the video won't work for me. oh well later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #46 July 30, 2003 It wasn't working for me either until I downloaded the divx 5.05 drivers. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefly68 0 #47 September 27, 2003 QuoteHi Skymonkey, the 107 will not be the only size for the R.A.G.E. 86 will be the next, maybe a 70. and also a 120. blues Frank Hi All, the 86 R.A.G.E. is up and flying. more about it when i`ve got pictures / videos of it. the 86 will be at the go vertical next weekend. blues Frankprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefly68 0 #48 February 2, 2004 Hi me again, and here another video from the 86 R.A.G.E.: http://home.tiscali.de/vvjgermany/rage2.mpg i hope the url works. the video is nealy 19sec long and around 1.5mb blues Frankprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #49 February 2, 2004 that video showed someone missing a swoop course in its entirety and nearly running over some spectators. Nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #50 February 2, 2004 Quotethat video showed someone missing a swoop course in its entirety and nearly running over some spectators. Nice. i know that's awesome huh. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
