bobsled92 0 #1 August 9, 2003 Here it is....finallyI wish I could find out what the difference/specialty of the canopy is also. Nice pics from yesterday._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #2 August 9, 2003 Looks like a 9 cell Diablo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #3 August 9, 2003 you mean Stiletto( patent rights and all) It's hard to guess but I love the shots they took. at Daily pic/ www.Freefall.com_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #4 August 9, 2003 I wish I could find out what the difference/specialty of the canopy is also.*** Talking to a certain PD employee,i believe this canopy is going to be in direct competition with the Crossfire2,bridging the gap between the stilletto and the velocity in PD's range. Watching Rickster jump it at Vichy,it certainly looks up to the job..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #5 August 9, 2003 I've heard of a lot of differences, but I'm going to let PD do the talking. One thing I will say that it is definately an awesome step up from the Stiletto!! It's nothing like the old Stiletto except for the fact that it's 9-cell eliptical. It's most likely going to be my next canopy. Oh, it is a step down from crossbraced, so it's not for those people arleady jumping crossbraced canopies (if you couldn't figure that out on your own) Okay ... nevermind, here's what I know about it since it's out now anyways ... Dives a little more than a Stiletto and swoops farther. Reason for a better swoop is the fact that this canopy has an awesome bottom end as well (which the Stiletto lacks). Still really responsive to harness inputs and is quite snappy. Oh, and it carves real well too (just not AS good as the Stiletto carving machine). I think (this part I'm not 100% on), it has a pretty fast and short recovery arc as well. It will recover on it's own, but you're better using at least a slight input to pull it out of the dive. I probably forgot some things, but that's what I know, enjoy! Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #6 August 9, 2003 QuoteI've heard of a lot of differences, but I'm going to let PD do the talking. One thing I will say that it is definately an awesome step up from the Stiletto!! It's nothing like the old Stiletto except for the fact that it's 9-cell eliptical. It's most likely going to be my next canopy. Oh, it is a step down from crossbraced, so it's not for those people arleady jumping crossbraced canopies (if you couldn't figure that out on your own) Okay ... nevermind, here's what I know about it since it's out now anyways ... Dives a little more than a Stiletto and swoops farther. Reason for a better swoop is the fact that this canopy has an awesome bottom end as well (which the Stiletto lacks). Still really responsive to harness inputs and is quite snappy. Oh, and it carves real well too (just not AS good as the Stiletto carving machine). I think (this part I'm not 100% on), it has a pretty fast and short recovery arc as well. It will recover on it's own, but you're better using at least a slight input to pull it out of the dive. I probably forgot some things, but that's what I know, enjoy! Here is my Cross-Post from talk back... OK, now that it is out, I'll tell you what PD told me at Rantoul....(nice pics, they said you would be able to pick the canopy out once it was in the air - "there will be no way to miss this one") It isn't quite done, yet. Well, they have sizes up to the 120 finished, tweaking the 135 still and once the 150 is completed they will start taking orders. 150 is going to be the largest sized - they don't see the need to make a canopy of this perfomance any bigger. It is a 9 cell, full eliptical, deeper flare than the stiletto, but more bottom end. Openings are better than the Sabre 2, and some of their test pilots think it may be better than the Spectre. It turns "really fast" is what I was told, some of the lightest front riser pressure ever but the trade off is more pressure on the rear risers (however, the rear risers turns are "aggressive"). It dives - ALOT and may even require some toggle input for a shorter recovery arc. It is officially a step up from the Stiletto as far as performance and experience required to fly it, and roughly a step below the cross-braced crowd. If I recall correctly, the glide path is somewhere between the Stiletto and the Vengeance, but was told that a long spot will not be an issue. I was told that at my wingloading (1.65) I would pretty much be near a sweet spot on it - but you could easily go higher. The only people that will be jumping it at Rantoul will be the PD team. I think that is all I was told....other than, if I was looking at the Samurai or Crossfire2, I may want to wait just a little bit longer. Just be patient, is what was suggested to me._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #7 August 10, 2003 Quote Reason for a better swoop is the fact that this canopy has an awesome bottom end as well (which the Stiletto lacks). Quote You figured this out on your three stilletto jumps? The stilletto is 10 years old, and still flys great, and has awesome bottom end, I have 800 jumps on a stilletto 107 and the (Bottom End) is great. But if you have 3 jumps on a canopy you cant have any idea what it is capable of, in comparason, I have 20 jumps on a Crossfire and I thought it was lacking on the (Bottom end) and I bet that all the Crossfire pilots out there would love to tell me different. It takes a lot of jumps on a canopy to see what it is capable of, I hated my Velocity until I had about 50 jumps under it, and saw what I could do with it, not what it could do. I dont know what this new canopy can do, other than what I have seen, but the stilletto is still a great canopy. Either way, Pd will let everyone know what they have, when they are finally ready to let everyone know what they have. Another great point about the company, they test, and test, and test and then test. Then they release. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Enano 0 #8 August 10, 2003 I couldn't agree more, how some one that have barely any jumps on a canopy or the canopy flying skills, have the courage to be telling people what a canopy is capable to do, not smart at all... " it's better to regret something you did, tha regret that you didn't..."42 and don't forget your towell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #9 August 10, 2003 QuoteAnother great point about the company, they test, and test, and test and then test. Then they release Also, they test EACH size they're offering. If you call and ask for some odd number or size they don't offer, they probably won't make it for you. They won't just scale it on a computer, each size has been tested and is known to have scaled correctly. I like that.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TB99 0 #10 August 11, 2003 To reply to both of you at the same time ... this is NOT from my experience ... I have no clue from PERSONAL experience, I'm telling you what a few of the TEST JUMPERS told me about it. All I did was copy and paste what they said to here. The exact words were, "this canopy has more bottom end than a stiletto, etc etc ..." I haven't jumped the Katana, so how the hell would I even be able to compare it? And Ray, no, that 107 wasn't the first time I jumped a Stiletto, I did a bunch of jumps on a 120 I borrowed from Aubrey from PD. So straight from the horses mouth ... Katana has more bottom end than a Stiletto, period. Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites superstu 0 #11 August 11, 2003 sorry if this has already been asked, but anybody have an idea of the release date for this canopy?Slip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #12 August 11, 2003 "Some time this fall" I expect to see it before the end of September, if not earlier. Which, happens to be the beginning of the "buying" season, for jumpers who buy gear between jumping seasons (for those who have "seasons").--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BMFin 0 #13 August 11, 2003 QuoteQuoteAnother great point about the company, they test, and test, and test and then test. Then they release Also, they test EACH size they're offering. If you call and ask for some odd number or size they don't offer, they probably won't make it for you. They won't just scale it on a computer, each size has been tested and is known to have scaled correctly. I like that. So will the katana be sized like other PD canopies too ? 120 could actually be 135 sqft. and 107 could actually be only 99sqft. like with the spectre .. I cant understand their method measuring canopy areas... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #14 August 11, 2003 QuoteSo will the katana be sized like other PD canopies too ? 120 could actually be 135 sqft. and 107 could actually be only 99sqft. like with the spectre .. I cant understand their method measuring canopy areas... i have been told this buy a certain manufacturer (actually the designer of the canopies), and i won't say who. but they told me that almost every canopy out their isn't the size that they say. they may kinda go up or down in the size they actually say it is. like a 120 my be a 115 or a 125. a 170 might be a 168 or 180 even. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NeedToJump 0 #15 August 11, 2003 Quotei have been told this buy a certain manufacturer (actually the designer of the canopies), and i won't say who. but they told me that almost every canopy out their isn't the size that they say. they may kinda go up or down in the size they actually say it is. like a 120 my be a 115 or a 125. a 170 might be a 168 or 180 even. I know there are a few people who work for PD who read and post to these boards. Could we possibly get comments from them about this? I am very curious about the sizing questions. If this is the case with the current canopies will the Katanas be the same?Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsled92 0 #16 August 11, 2003 I cant understand their method measuring canopy areas... i have been told this buy a certain manufacturer (actually the designer of the canopies), and i won't say who. but they told me that almost every canopy out their isn't the size that they say. they may kinda go up or down in the size they actually say it is. like a 120 my be a 115 or a 125. a 170 might be a 168 or 180 even. later >>>>>>>>>>That's why the Cobalt 170 /full elip is more like a Sabre2/semi/elip 190? "they fly Big" which is fine for me: to fly UP a little rather than "Suprise" Comp Cobalt, now be nice & open soft..agreed...good boy!_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cpoxon 0 #17 August 28, 2003 Another nice pic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MattM 0 #18 August 28, 2003 that thing looks exactly like a stiletto... Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #19 August 29, 2003 That thing really does look like a stileto.....nose is wide open. very surprising. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hkf 0 #20 August 29, 2003 QuoteTRIG DOES NOT JUMP AT HEADCORN Yes He Does!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kolla 0 #21 September 2, 2003 Hey - the sizing stuff is indeed a bit off headache. I did ask John LeBlanc (of Performance Designs) about this, and he did his best to explain to me how it works and how different manufacturers go about sizing. After about 30 minutes I understood really well that sizing is no simple task - and since there are a few different ways of making a canopy, there is no one method that will work across the board to size them up. It was a little bit less tangled back in the days of rectangular canopies - but the tapered/elliptical ones make for a challenge. PIA attempted to come up with a method that could work for all, but it has it's downfalls - bot when comparing between manufacturers, and even comparing different sizes from the same manufacturer. Again - I'm sorry for being so vague here, but this stuff is really outside my expertise and I'd rather not put wrong info out here. The best way to compare different canopies is to try them out... I know thats no the easiest thing to do, but then again different designs fly different - and that is not just because of the size. Fly before you buy - that way you'll know exactly what you are getting. Blue ones, Kolla Kolbeinsdottir, Performance Designs, Inc.Blue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fundgh 0 #22 September 2, 2003 QuoteThe best way to compare different canopies is to try them out... Any word on when they will be available for demo, observation, etc. Is Katana the official name?...FUN FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #23 September 2, 2003 Well the signup form for a demo is up on PD's website. I don't know if its the official name, but that's what I've been calling it when I've been talking to Kolla on the phone, she hasn't corrected me, so I'm going to assume.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kolla 0 #24 September 3, 2003 AggieDave is right as ususal - there is a sign up sheet on the website Some of you might already have put your name down on a list, but if you haven't.... and you wanna try it, go sign up!! http://www.performancedesigns.com/pd.asp. Blue ones! KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fundgh 0 #25 September 3, 2003 I found the sheet a couple days ago, but what I want is more information. I don't think that I am ready to fly the thing quite yet, but I want to know more about it. I was hoping to read a review, or some info....FUN FOR ALL! 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Enano 0 #8 August 10, 2003 I couldn't agree more, how some one that have barely any jumps on a canopy or the canopy flying skills, have the courage to be telling people what a canopy is capable to do, not smart at all... " it's better to regret something you did, tha regret that you didn't..."42 and don't forget your towell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 August 10, 2003 QuoteAnother great point about the company, they test, and test, and test and then test. Then they release Also, they test EACH size they're offering. If you call and ask for some odd number or size they don't offer, they probably won't make it for you. They won't just scale it on a computer, each size has been tested and is known to have scaled correctly. I like that.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #10 August 11, 2003 To reply to both of you at the same time ... this is NOT from my experience ... I have no clue from PERSONAL experience, I'm telling you what a few of the TEST JUMPERS told me about it. All I did was copy and paste what they said to here. The exact words were, "this canopy has more bottom end than a stiletto, etc etc ..." I haven't jumped the Katana, so how the hell would I even be able to compare it? And Ray, no, that 107 wasn't the first time I jumped a Stiletto, I did a bunch of jumps on a 120 I borrowed from Aubrey from PD. So straight from the horses mouth ... Katana has more bottom end than a Stiletto, period. Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #11 August 11, 2003 sorry if this has already been asked, but anybody have an idea of the release date for this canopy?Slip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 August 11, 2003 "Some time this fall" I expect to see it before the end of September, if not earlier. Which, happens to be the beginning of the "buying" season, for jumpers who buy gear between jumping seasons (for those who have "seasons").--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #13 August 11, 2003 QuoteQuoteAnother great point about the company, they test, and test, and test and then test. Then they release Also, they test EACH size they're offering. If you call and ask for some odd number or size they don't offer, they probably won't make it for you. They won't just scale it on a computer, each size has been tested and is known to have scaled correctly. I like that. So will the katana be sized like other PD canopies too ? 120 could actually be 135 sqft. and 107 could actually be only 99sqft. like with the spectre .. I cant understand their method measuring canopy areas... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #14 August 11, 2003 QuoteSo will the katana be sized like other PD canopies too ? 120 could actually be 135 sqft. and 107 could actually be only 99sqft. like with the spectre .. I cant understand their method measuring canopy areas... i have been told this buy a certain manufacturer (actually the designer of the canopies), and i won't say who. but they told me that almost every canopy out their isn't the size that they say. they may kinda go up or down in the size they actually say it is. like a 120 my be a 115 or a 125. a 170 might be a 168 or 180 even. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #15 August 11, 2003 Quotei have been told this buy a certain manufacturer (actually the designer of the canopies), and i won't say who. but they told me that almost every canopy out their isn't the size that they say. they may kinda go up or down in the size they actually say it is. like a 120 my be a 115 or a 125. a 170 might be a 168 or 180 even. I know there are a few people who work for PD who read and post to these boards. Could we possibly get comments from them about this? I am very curious about the sizing questions. If this is the case with the current canopies will the Katanas be the same?Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #16 August 11, 2003 I cant understand their method measuring canopy areas... i have been told this buy a certain manufacturer (actually the designer of the canopies), and i won't say who. but they told me that almost every canopy out their isn't the size that they say. they may kinda go up or down in the size they actually say it is. like a 120 my be a 115 or a 125. a 170 might be a 168 or 180 even. later >>>>>>>>>>That's why the Cobalt 170 /full elip is more like a Sabre2/semi/elip 190? "they fly Big" which is fine for me: to fly UP a little rather than "Suprise" Comp Cobalt, now be nice & open soft..agreed...good boy!_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #17 August 28, 2003 Another nice pic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 0 #18 August 28, 2003 that thing looks exactly like a stiletto... Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #19 August 29, 2003 That thing really does look like a stileto.....nose is wide open. very surprising. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hkf 0 #20 August 29, 2003 QuoteTRIG DOES NOT JUMP AT HEADCORN Yes He Does!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #21 September 2, 2003 Hey - the sizing stuff is indeed a bit off headache. I did ask John LeBlanc (of Performance Designs) about this, and he did his best to explain to me how it works and how different manufacturers go about sizing. After about 30 minutes I understood really well that sizing is no simple task - and since there are a few different ways of making a canopy, there is no one method that will work across the board to size them up. It was a little bit less tangled back in the days of rectangular canopies - but the tapered/elliptical ones make for a challenge. PIA attempted to come up with a method that could work for all, but it has it's downfalls - bot when comparing between manufacturers, and even comparing different sizes from the same manufacturer. Again - I'm sorry for being so vague here, but this stuff is really outside my expertise and I'd rather not put wrong info out here. The best way to compare different canopies is to try them out... I know thats no the easiest thing to do, but then again different designs fly different - and that is not just because of the size. Fly before you buy - that way you'll know exactly what you are getting. Blue ones, Kolla Kolbeinsdottir, Performance Designs, Inc.Blue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fundgh 0 #22 September 2, 2003 QuoteThe best way to compare different canopies is to try them out... Any word on when they will be available for demo, observation, etc. Is Katana the official name?...FUN FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #23 September 2, 2003 Well the signup form for a demo is up on PD's website. I don't know if its the official name, but that's what I've been calling it when I've been talking to Kolla on the phone, she hasn't corrected me, so I'm going to assume.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #24 September 3, 2003 AggieDave is right as ususal - there is a sign up sheet on the website Some of you might already have put your name down on a list, but if you haven't.... and you wanna try it, go sign up!! http://www.performancedesigns.com/pd.asp. Blue ones! KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fundgh 0 #25 September 3, 2003 I found the sheet a couple days ago, but what I want is more information. I don't think that I am ready to fly the thing quite yet, but I want to know more about it. I was hoping to read a review, or some info....FUN FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
