mischo 0 #1 August 18, 2003 I have been stowing my slider under my chin for a while now because I dont like the way it feels while looking around behind my head. (it feels like it is riding up without constant pressure) My question is how do y'all lock the slider in place behind the head? Now that I expand my chest strap, the thing about chokes me out. I tried to keep it behind my head with the chest strap all the way out but it still rides up without the before mentioned pressure. I have heard that Brian Germain has a cool locking system on the back of the rear risers. If it is not copywritten I would love some input so I could make that mod as well. Thank you Mish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 August 18, 2003 Here's what fixed my slider from doing that. After I collapse it, I roll the crap out of it. It doesn't catch as much air (which was making it ride back up my risers before), so it stays put and I don't have to keep any pressure on it. That might work for you too, keeping yourself from having to get any mods done to your gear. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflygoddess 0 #3 August 18, 2003 Jeffro (Jeff Provenzano from Team Xaos) has velcro on the top back of his rig or somewhere, I forgot exactly where because it has been a while since he left Eloy, but none the less he uses to secure his slider it behind him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #4 August 18, 2003 If you had a huge noggin like me, your slider would stay put nicely! Wazzap Steve??Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 August 18, 2003 A rigger should be able to help you install a slider keeper on your rig. The one I use is stitched to the yokes of my rigs. It's a 4" piece of 2" wide Pile Velcro, and a 4" piece of 1" Hook Velcro. Sew each peice on to a 10" piece of type 3 tape one on either end and then attach the 2" wide end to the rig. Works great.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrpayne 0 #6 August 19, 2003 Kurupee freefly suits have a velcro loop that holds the slider down. Works pretty good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #7 August 19, 2003 I have slider stows on every suit except my BM suits, plus a separate one that I keep on my reserve pin cover flap for when I am in those BM suits or am swooping in shorts. There are loads of threads in this forum on the subject. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkeyKam 0 #8 August 19, 2003 Brian has been installing what he calls, "Slocks" (Slider Locks). They're very simple little reinforced do-dads made of Dacron line pulled through itself and then bartacked (to stiffen), then bartacked on the inside of the front risers, just above the attachment points. As for the measurements and specifics, feel free to call us at Big Air: 813.788.4444. I've been using them for quite a while now and they work perfectly. After opening, I cinch up the slider, pull it down past the toggles and such, and the rear slider grommets are held in place below the front grommets, which are pulled and locked below the stiffened Dacron thingy. So simple and much easier than the loop things on the rigs, methinks. Velcro loop thingies on the neck of your suit are a bad idea, in case of a cut away. Besides, it's really annoying when people pull and stick the Velcro in the plane on the way to altitude. Hope that was helpful. Andy www.bigairsportz.com "I drank what?" --Sophocles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #9 August 19, 2003 QuoteHere's what fixed my slider from doing that. After I collapse it, I roll the crap out of it. It doesn't catch as much air (which was making it ride back up my risers before), so it stays put and I don't have to keep any pressure on it. That might work for you too, keeping yourself from having to get any mods done to your gear. This is exactly what I do also, another thing that helps is loosening your chest strap all( not undoing it) the way. Look at pictures of luigi doing this in this months parachutist. There is no place for the slider to go but stay down. Your chest strap may not be this long but every little bit helps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #10 August 19, 2003 Andy, that sounds similar to a design posted somewhere on here recently. I think they used type4 sewn on the front risers instead of bartacked dacron. I've been planning on putting a slider keeper mod on my risers. Generally, spreading the chest strap and pulling the slider all the way down has been working... Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #11 August 19, 2003 QuoteVelcro loop thingies on the neck of your suit are a bad idea, in case of a cut away. Besides, it's really annoying when people pull and stick the Velcro in the plane on the way to altitude. Actually, the safety aspect of velcro slider stows is a complete urban legend. In 22 years of skydiving I had never, ever heard of a "snag" incident, but that was not good enough for some people. Our Gear and Rigging Moderator, Derek (Hooknswoop) is the complete techie rigger. He did a full series of tests on his tertiary rig and posted the results for all to see. Answer? There was no perceptible delay whatsoever during any number of actual cutaways with various types of slider stows tested. As to the annoying sound of me playing with the proper pre-jump mating of my velcro: "sorry". Chuck Blue D-12501 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #12 August 19, 2003 Andy, How far down on the front riser are the "Slocks" located. Are they positioned along the riser or across the riser? What is the estimated diameter of the "slock" More info going to be put on the web page?? Also what is the status of the 1"teen" concept for the Sensei to keep us jumpers that are over 200lbs w/o gear at about a 2.0 load on the new canopy? Just curious! Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkeyKam 0 #13 August 19, 2003 Hey Ken, yep... Brian tried the webbing thing, too. It worked pretty well, but the dacron seems a bit sturdier ("lockier" ). 6 of one, half-dozen of the other. Keeping the slider locking mechanism contained on the main canopy "system" (IMHO) is overall a cleaner idea. Very much IMHHHO. Hey, Scott... Give Brian a shout about the details on the "Slocks." He's been fielding the calls about them. We're actually installing them on risers for people for around $10 (plus appropriate shipping if you send the risers to us). We ship them right back. It's a very "outpatient" type of surgery. As for the "1-teen" Sensei... Call Brian. 813.788.4444 We haven't really talked about it recently, but then, I've been buried in web site stuff and desktop publishing. Andy www.bigairsportz.com "I drank what?" --Sophocles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #14 August 20, 2003 I've got a small length of webbing wrapped around and stiched to each front riser just above the attachment point. Collapse the slider and pull it down over these little 'blocks' and it will stay put. The webbing is an inch wide and doesn't have to be all that thick. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #15 August 21, 2003 QuoteQuoteVelcro loop thingies on the neck of your suit are a bad idea, in case of a cut away. Besides, it's really annoying when people pull and stick the Velcro in the plane on the way to altitude. Actually, the safety aspect of velcro slider stows is a complete urban legend. In 22 years of skydiving I had never, ever heard of a "snag" incident, I can't provide solid evidence of such an incident, but somebody, somewhere has gotten spooked by "velcro loop thingies". A few years back a European fellow visited my DZ. He was quite surprised to see a jumper with one of the velcro slider holders, because they were banned in his country. Can't recall where he was from. Some place like Germany, Netherlands, ???? So I bet there has been a fatality that at least looked like it was influenced by a velcro slider holder; otherwise the national skydiving organization would not have (over)reacted in that way. Peter Chapman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #16 August 21, 2003 I HAVE heard about an incident (I believe it was reported in Skydiving or Parachutist). Guy cutaway and towed his main by the slider for a few hundred feet. Probably a one in a thousand thing, depending on newness of velcro and style of use, but still..... just use the front riser mods detailed above... works just fine and is quicker anyway... __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #17 August 21, 2003 can we see picture of the webbing and the dacron line versions please ------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefly68 0 #18 August 21, 2003 Hi Have a look at : http://www.paratec.de/Seiten/Archiv.html blues Frankprovehito in altum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkeyKam 0 #19 August 21, 2003 I propose we make the official name: "Velcro Loop Thingies" "I drank what?" --Sophocles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #20 August 21, 2003 whuchu talking about, willis? __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkeyKam 0 #21 August 22, 2003 "Velcro Loop Thingies" n, pl. 1 The loop, closed with Velcro, attached to the collar of a skydiver's jumpsuit, intended to secure the slider after opening. 2 The small individual loops of fabric on the softer piece of a Velcro fastener. "I drank what?" --Sophocles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #22 August 22, 2003 the most I've seen is velcro... Babylon guys use an elastic band with a kind of ball, attached to the rig, they pass the ball over the slider and into the elastic you can maybe try to catch the rings (grommets ?? ) between the risers, sometimes it does the work correctly---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fundgh 0 #23 August 22, 2003 If one were to attach the velcro to the jumpsuit so that the hook and loop are facing each other, the release force would be fairly low. Velcro relies on shear friction to work properly, but if you use the way it is not intended it would make for a weak hold, but an easy release. Would the loop contact with the slider damage it in any way?...FUN FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mischo 0 #25 September 1, 2003 Thank you for all the posts I am definitly gonna give Big Air a call. Hello to Johnny, and thanks for the cool lind to the German slocks. Mish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
