cobaltdan 0 #51 October 10, 2003 i jump both in the states and europe meaning i jump here with the us reserve and in europe with the german or us reserve. sorry if that read funny. i will be away for test drop until late next week. i will look into posting flight data on canopies after that. sincerely, danDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #52 October 10, 2003 Just to throw my thoughts in on the Cobalt. Had a 105 for a while. I have 2,000 jumps on a Stiletto 107. When I demo a canopy I get the same size canopy to try and tell the differences between the canopies without any size issues. It flew great. Had light riser pressure, swooped well. It did open like shit. I was told that I needed a 24 inch pilot chute. That seemed really strange to me that I needed a different part of the container for the parachute....And a different PC than I used on my Stiletto. I have no doubts that the Cobalt would open well with the 24 inch pilot chute...My stiletto with a 24" PC would open so slow that I might have to cut it away. The canopy opened so hard that it was not worth me jumping it....And I am not going to put a smaller than recomended PC on my rig for better openings. I personally think that any parachute that needs "special gimicks" has design issues. If your canopy needs a smaller PC, or a pocket slider...ect to make it open right...It has issues. Its a shame since the canopy did fly very well. Also it seems that there are wide differences between canopies they make....Some need all kinds of gimicks, some don't need anything. My advice would be if you wanted a Cobalt find one that opens well and buy THAT canopy...don't order one and expect it to fly/open like the one that made you want one. The size issue....They "fly big" Dan says that the wing is so much better (Everyone that makes canopies says theirs opens/flies/swoops/packs better)....So does he. Dan has also said that they are measured differently...It would be interesting to get two same sized canopies and see what he size difference is....If his 120 is actually the same size as a PD 130-135...well then it would not "Fly bigger" it would BE bigger. Anybody want to test that? I don't have a Cobalt anywhere near me..."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #53 October 10, 2003 Quote personally think that any parachute that needs "special gimicks" has design issues. If your canopy needs a smaller PC, or a pocket slider...ect to make it open right...It has issues. yeah I totally agree. I've jumped a velocity 84, 90, and 96 (many times) with my zp 32" pilot chute (yeah that's right 32"). Comes off my back like a rocket, but other than I high snatch force it opens beautifully every time. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imdskydiver 0 #54 October 10, 2003 I ordered a 24" ZP pilot chute for my Cobalt 120 , It fit so loose in my spandex pouch that i took it out and went with the old 28" that came with my Mirage , I can not tell the difference between the two , My canopy opens just as good with the larger pilot chute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #55 October 10, 2003 QuoteI ordered a 24" ZP pilot chute for my Cobalt 120 , It fit so loose in my spandex pouch that i took it out and went with the old 28" that came with my Mirage Is the 28" F-111 or ZP? There is a difference.... I had a buddy that had an old F-111 (on a PD 190) and he would snivel like hell. He got a ZP and said it opened much faster. So an old F-111 28" could do less than a ZP 24""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imdskydiver 0 #56 October 10, 2003 Is the 28" F-111 or ZP? Quote It is an F-111 that is less than 2 years old and less than 200 jumps on it , Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Professor 0 #57 October 10, 2003 Quote Dan has also said that they are measured differently...It would be interesting to get two same sized canopies and see what he size difference is....If his 120 is actually the same size as a PD 130-135...well then it would not "Fly bigger" it would BE bigger. Ron, I've done this w/ my Stiletto 120 and my friends Cobalt 120. Not only were they the same size, they are almost exactly the same planform. Ted Like a giddy school girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsled92 0 #58 October 11, 2003 QuoteQuote Dan has also said that they are measured differently...It would be interesting to get two same sized canopies and see what he size difference is....If his 120 is actually the same size as a PD 130-135...well then it would not "Fly bigger" it would BE bigger. Ron, I've done this w/ my Stiletto 120 and my friends Cobalt 120. Not only were they the same size, they are almost exactly the same planform. Yep, ...same pack volume too. My rig (when it arrives)will fit my Comp Cobalt & a Stiletto & both 170._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #59 October 11, 2003 I've flown a cobalt 120 at 1.1:1 yeah, I know you've said that is underloading it. I would definitely say that this is no beginner canopy. Twitchy in the harness, very easy to steer with the harness, and what do new jumpers tend to do on landing.......reach with one leg or the other. There was quite a bit of oversteer, and the toggles were very touchy. It lost a lot more altitude in a turn than my sabre (since it "flys bigger" I'm comparing it to my sabre 135 not my sabre 120), but less than my crossfire 116. It felt like flying my Stiletto 97, well except it didn't have as much forward speed. 1.1 vs. 1.3 I think it is a nice entry level elliptical that you can really learn to fly the crap out of, just don't think it should be someones 1st canopy. Now that your new designs should be to market soon, you won't have to push this so much as a beginner canopy.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #60 October 13, 2003 QuoteI think it is a nice entry level elliptical that you can really learn to fly the crap out of, just don't think it should be someones 1st canopy. Now that your new designs should be to market soon, you won't have to push this so much as a beginner canopy. Cat I have always thought of the cobalt as exactly as you describe it. A good way to enter elliptical flight. I also saw it holding its own in several swoop compitions along side X-fires, stillettos. This is scarce now since most competitors are on x-braced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jsaxton 0 #61 October 14, 2003 Are you grabbing the risers on opening? This will cause the canopy to open fast! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Professor 0 #57 October 10, 2003 Quote Dan has also said that they are measured differently...It would be interesting to get two same sized canopies and see what he size difference is....If his 120 is actually the same size as a PD 130-135...well then it would not "Fly bigger" it would BE bigger. Ron, I've done this w/ my Stiletto 120 and my friends Cobalt 120. Not only were they the same size, they are almost exactly the same planform. Ted Like a giddy school girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #58 October 11, 2003 QuoteQuote Dan has also said that they are measured differently...It would be interesting to get two same sized canopies and see what he size difference is....If his 120 is actually the same size as a PD 130-135...well then it would not "Fly bigger" it would BE bigger. Ron, I've done this w/ my Stiletto 120 and my friends Cobalt 120. Not only were they the same size, they are almost exactly the same planform. Yep, ...same pack volume too. My rig (when it arrives)will fit my Comp Cobalt & a Stiletto & both 170._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #59 October 11, 2003 I've flown a cobalt 120 at 1.1:1 yeah, I know you've said that is underloading it. I would definitely say that this is no beginner canopy. Twitchy in the harness, very easy to steer with the harness, and what do new jumpers tend to do on landing.......reach with one leg or the other. There was quite a bit of oversteer, and the toggles were very touchy. It lost a lot more altitude in a turn than my sabre (since it "flys bigger" I'm comparing it to my sabre 135 not my sabre 120), but less than my crossfire 116. It felt like flying my Stiletto 97, well except it didn't have as much forward speed. 1.1 vs. 1.3 I think it is a nice entry level elliptical that you can really learn to fly the crap out of, just don't think it should be someones 1st canopy. Now that your new designs should be to market soon, you won't have to push this so much as a beginner canopy.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #60 October 13, 2003 QuoteI think it is a nice entry level elliptical that you can really learn to fly the crap out of, just don't think it should be someones 1st canopy. Now that your new designs should be to market soon, you won't have to push this so much as a beginner canopy. Cat I have always thought of the cobalt as exactly as you describe it. A good way to enter elliptical flight. I also saw it holding its own in several swoop compitions along side X-fires, stillettos. This is scarce now since most competitors are on x-braced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #61 October 14, 2003 Are you grabbing the risers on opening? This will cause the canopy to open fast! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
