High wingload/Low Jumps at your DZ (over 1.7)

[base698 19]

Some DZs have almost noone under high wingloadings much less with low jump numbers. There are a few I've been to that have people in the 300-500 jump range jumping at 1.8 or higher and some under a crossbraced canopy. Here is a poll just to see how many DZs have people/allow people to do this. It seems the larger the DZ the less likely this is to happen.

[skygod7777 0]

i think at my dz there is one or two that have less than 400 jumps and jump a wing loading of 1.8

these people are very closely watched by the more experienced pilots, and S&TA to make sure they don't do anything stupid. those guys also are well above the "average" 300 jump person under canopy and in the air.

other than that, we don't have much of a poblem with people jumping high wing loadings and few jumps.

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[AndyMan 7]

I don't know of anyone at my DZ who fit this criteria. I was hit 1.6 right around when I also hit 500 jumps. I don't know of at a higher wingloading then me, who has fewer jumps.

There was no poll choice for "my big dz doesn't work that way".

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[PhreeZone 20]

I can't think of more then maybe one or two people on my entire DZ that jump canopies at 1.7 on a regular basis. In fact, there are only a few canopies under a 135 at the DZ. My loading of 1.48 on a 135 is one of the higher loadings. I'm quite happy that we have more canopies above 150 then we do below.

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[AggieDave 6]

Well, I bought my Heatwave at just over 200 jumps and have been jumping it since at a wingloading varying from 1.6 to 1.7. The S&TA gave me the blessing to get it, but he had been watching me land for quite a while, so he felt comfortable with that decision. He also told me that if I did anything remotely stupid, he'd ground me from that canopy for a long time.

Well, I was never grounded and I've *finally* grown into that canopy. If I was going to do it over again, I think I would have bought a Sabre2 190, that would have left me at the 1.3-1.4 range, instead of the Heatwave 170. However, it all turned out well and I've just about got that canopy totally ragged out to its max.

Currently, the next highest wingloading at my DZ is at about 2.3:1, but he has nearly 3,000 jumps.

There's a lot of moderately to lightly loaded 135s to 190s at my DZ.

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[ianmdrennan 2]

Shit, I voted for the wrong one.

I thought it said "Over 500 and on crossbraced"
We need an option that says "Our DZ doesn't work this way" (previously requested).

Damn.

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[base698 19]

Yeah, I wasn't thinking about that option...

[towerrat 0]

I jump at a large DZ and can't think of anyone with less than 500 jumps at that wing loading.We have good instructors who continue to watch and guide our jumpers well past student status.
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[b1jercat 0]

I jump at the largest DZ in Oregon and I think there might be a couple of guys close to 1.5 plus with 500 jumps.

edit to add: I don't think there are any low timers on crossed braced, I don't think it would be allowed.

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[Shivon 0]

I think that at my DZ, anything under 500 jumps at 1.7 would draw some serious scrutiny

[chileanXaos 0]

I really dont agree , that you cant jump a high wing loading , at low jump numbers I started skydiving with my sabre at 1.3 wingloading made 100 jumps then changed to a crossfire 2 and never had problems , now I fly a xaos 88 at 2,0 wingload and I love it I have 400 jump and always have jumped high wing loading , I think you are the only one that knows what you want and need to jump.
I also have a friend that started jumping a velocity 90 at 2.1 wingloading and he never had a problem , no he has like 200 jumps and makes really good swoops , that thanks for the canopy school at perris.
I just dont understand people like banning you because of your jump numbers.

[ianmdrennan 2]

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really dont agree , that you cant jump a high wing loading , at low jump numbers I started skydiving with my sabre at 1.3 wingloading made 100 jumps then changed to a crossfire 2 and never had problems , now I fly a xaos 88 at 2,0 wingload and I love it I have 400 jump and always have jumped high wing loading , I think you are the only one that knows what you want and need to jump.
I also have a friend that started jumping a velocity 90 at 2.1 wingloading and he never had a problem , no he has like 200 jumps and makes really good swoops , that thanks for the canopy school at perris.
I just dont understand people like banning you because of your jump numbers.

It may be that you and your friend are the next "Heath", but that simply isn't true for the majority of jumpers and THAT is why such a high loading is discouraged with such low jump numbers.

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I think you are the only one that knows what you want and need to jump.

Quite a few people have thought that. They're no longer thinking. If we were good at regulating ourselves.....but we're not and our personality types aren't condusive to it.

By the way I wouldn't get complacent under those canopies. 200 and 400 respectively isn't a hell of a lot of time to frap yourself in so don't think you're out of the woods yet.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it can't/isn't being done. I'm just saying that we have to look at the average jumper. If all the rules were built around exceptional skydivers...you get my point.

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ian

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[jumperconway 0]

There are quite a few X-braced highly loaded canopies at my dz. One Xaos in the 2.2 range by a guy with less than 300 jumps. But I also think currentcy along with jump #'S is a more appropriate guage. I did 300+ jumps my first year and close to 600 each of the next 2 years and was jumping 1.7+ on a crossfire before 400 jumps. If you want to jump a H wingload at the dz the s&ta will watch and brief you to be safe.

[twnsnd 1]

Since I myself jump a highly loaded canopy at relatively low jump numbers, take this with a grain of salt. If you are a person who is dedicated to canopy flight above all else, have more hop&pops than freefalls, get consistant coaching, and have respect for what can happen, you can probably handle a highly loaded canopy at a relatively low jump number. Also get comfortable with the fact that you WILL get hurt in the process at some point. Hopefully not badly. Peeeeeeeeeeeeace!

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[base698 19]

I really don't care if someone kills themselves under canopy, what i do care about is if they kill someone else or me. I've seen people that fly plenty well (at least where I don't think they are going to die), but haven't learned to wait in brakes for others to land. In one such example I was setting up in the course and a guy on the same load was about 100 feet above me. So I looked around one last time and started my turn only to realize he was now right below me. I just don't think you have the awareness to consciously look out for anyone but yourself at that few jumps... I've seen this happen lots to other people too at all sorts of DZs.

[ManBird 0]

Hey, I don't have an option! I don't think we have even one person with under 500 jumps loaded over 1.7.

Edited to add: It's not necessarily that people getted banned or aren't allowed to, I think it's more that there is a lot of education. As long as I've been at SDO, we've had at least one S&TA who is also an experienced high performance canopy pilot that will provide really good advice. With the right eyeballs and the right attitude, people will just naturally be convinced that high wing loading with low jump numbers is just an unnecessary risk. There's more criticism than praise when someone steps out of their ability.

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[bobsled92 0]

At my D.Z., MAYTOWN (Club), there are no 1.7 or higher at under 500 jumps and no one on X-braced under 900 jumps.
They think I'm a "Rebel" at 1.4 under 500 jumps.

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[Jimbo 0]

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now I fly a xaos 88 at 2,0 wingload and I love it I have 400 jump

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I also have a friend that started jumping a velocity 90 at 2.1 wingloading and he never had a problem , no he has like 200 jumps

You two should talk to Spy38W, if he's still around.

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[alain 0]

looks pretty conservative on my DZ:
i can think of 3 guys jumpng 1.7 to 2 who got there after at least 1000 jumps (they are now 1500 to 2000 jumps). two of them are really doing HP landing.
one is jumping just over 1.5 since jump 600 (coming close to 1000 right now) and he's quite conservative bellow 1000ft.
most of the 300-500ish folks are jumping in the 1.3-1.5 range and few are working towards HP landings.
well, thats a pretty small DZ anyway

[metalslug 36]

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now I fly a xaos 88 at 2,0 wingload and I love it I have 400 jump

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I also have a friend that started jumping a velocity 90 at 2.1 wingloading and he never had a problem , no he has like 200 jumps

I can see how a careful canopy pilot can set down these canopies neatly.. landing upwind in broad daylight on an open, grassy dropzone.

I'm a bit concerned for these people when they need to make the unforseen crosswind or downwind landing to avoid an obstacle or canopy traffic... or the emergency exit that has them heading towards someone's back yard with no wind indicator.. aiming for the 20ft of free space between the greenhouse and the garage.
..and if this were a night jump.. well, it just gets better.

[trigger 0]

I couldn't agree more!As you say there's a big difference between landing these canopies and actually being able to fly them...I've seen people who have in excess of 1000jumps that consistently pull no more than a 45 to final..Why!!!!! because [A] The're scared...these things are fast...
[B] This is likely because they never truly learn't to handle the're previous canopy......

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[PhreeZone 20]

>You two should talk to Spy38W, if he's still around.

Spy38w is still around, I spent all summer jumping with him. Granted, he's no longer on his Xaos whatever, he was jumping 150's all summer. Spending a few months in a pelvis halo taught him about just how hard and unforgiving the ground really is. He also toned down his landings a lot and was only starting into building up speed again after 4 months of being back and constant jumping.

Spy38w got off easy that at under 250 jumps on a Xaos loaded at 1.8ish he only broke a few bones and his pelvis.

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[VectorBoy 0]

I'm still waiting to hear from that 50 jump wonder on a x-brace loaded above 1-8 that everyone was so worried about several months ago.

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