SickMonkey 0 #1 October 24, 2003 The PD team uses something called the J mod on their canopies. How beneficial is this in rear riser flight. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #3 October 24, 2003 A search will tell you that this mod allows you to dig out of the corner on a less than perfect approach with less chance of stalling your canopy (when you just refuse to bail to toggles). After you pull your rears down a certain distance and the slack out of the mod lne becomes taut, any further pull on the rears will also deflect the tail down. Some people like it, some people tried it and didn't. I jumped a canopy with it and didn't care to much for it, so I never installed it. Andy Honnigbaum took his off. I will say that I think it's a smart mod for people jumping crossbraces who are fond of flying to a complete stop without touching their toggles. Much less chance of a stall. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YM4 0 #4 October 24, 2003 Never heard of it... What is it?"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, It's the size of the fight in the dog!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #5 October 24, 2003 Some folks call it the "E-line mod" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #6 October 25, 2003 To: ALL Date: Today From: Spizzzarko Subject: E-Line Modification 1. Have any of you done an e-line modification for cross braced swooping canopies? I'm thinking of doing this to my VX and FX for more rear riser performance. 2. If you have done this, where do you attach the extra line to on the riser? I was thinking it would be attached to the guide ring that keeps the control lines. 3. Also, how much slack, if any, are you putting into the extra line. I was thinking there was no slack so it would pull the tail down immediatly when you put rear riser input in. 4. This was also posted in the gear and rigging forum to see what they have to say about that. 5. That's all I have to say about that. Spizzzarko Rules The World!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #7 October 25, 2003 You misunderstand the purpose of the mod. It is designed primarily as a tool for digging you out of the corner when you are at the stage of your (primarily competition) swooping when you think if you bail to toggles you will lose a meet. The average person who knows to bail to toggles when they are too deep in the corner to pull out on rears without inducing a high-speed stall will have no use for the mod. It's more of a "save your ass" mod than anything. On a well-executed, smoothly-transitioned rear-riser swoop, the mod will not do anything at all. If you don't pull down/out on your rears to the near-stall point, then the mod will not pull down the tail of your canopy. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #8 October 25, 2003 Ahhhhh---sooooo great skymaster, I see your point. Conversely, wouldn't having the mod with a shorter e-line give a little more lift by pulling more of the tail down with a rear input? Therefore you would not have to give as great an input to create the desired amount of lift, and less drag would be created, and the swoop, if properly performed, would be longer? Or am I completely missing the point. It has happened before... missing the point that is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexey 6 #9 October 25, 2003 Can you make some draft of it Mod? I'm styding now rear riser approaching and really worring about rear riser stall... Sorry for bad English...Lexa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #10 October 25, 2003 QuoteI'm styding now rear riser approaching and really worring about rear riser stall... That's a good thing to be worried about. However, if you practice a lot up high you'll find that it's not nearly as hard as you think it is. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velo90 0 #11 October 29, 2003 On my first attempt at using the rear risers for the swoop, at the point where I should have switched to the toogles for the last flare to land, I just automatically pulled on the risers a bit more. Needless to say I stalled the canopy immediatly and made a not so pretty landing. I think I am going to have practise this transition a lot more at height before I attempt this again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #12 October 29, 2003 You need to practice this transition REPEATEDLY at altitude before biffing yourself in again. Always, always, always, perfect your turns/tricks at altitude before attempting them down at ground level. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velo90 0 #13 October 30, 2003 QuoteYou need to practice this transition REPEATEDLY at altitude That's what I said. Hey, your hat is nearly as crazy as mine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HCnorway 0 #14 February 24, 2004 But can anyone tell me in detail how this e-mod is attached? Is it two extra lines on each side of the back of the canopy. And they are attached to the cascades of the steering lines and down to the riser links or??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SickMonkey 0 #15 February 24, 2004 I believe they are attached at the steering line cascades and rear riser slinks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HCnorway 0 #16 February 24, 2004 Yes, must be something like that. Anyone else that know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #17 February 25, 2004 That's what I have seen, but not to many people here use them, know about them, or are willing to spread info about them, with exception to skymonkey one. I tried to get some info about them even in the rigging forum, but no one could help me out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
