cheneyneel 0 #1 December 9, 2003 Guys my Velocity's slider from PD has very small gromets.. I am having a hard time pulling them past my toggles on my brand new RWS risers.. Has anyone ever had this problem? The fit is so tight that I have to use both hands on each riser because I fear that I will pop a toggle in the middle of stowing my slider.. Is this just a common occurance.. or am I just being a little paranoid about it? WIll PD send me a new slider with larger gromets?.. I havent had this new canopy for more than two weeks.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #2 December 9, 2003 What type of risers?, Standard or mini? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #3 December 9, 2003 I'd bet PD will send another on with the big grommets. Contact Kolla. She'll send you in the right direction. My Crossfire slider was like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skynole 0 #4 December 9, 2003 What's up Chris...sent you a PM about this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheneyneel 0 #5 December 9, 2003 They are mini risers.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #6 December 9, 2003 Yeah, I had the same problem with a demo on RWS's "TruLok" risers. They are just a bit on the thick side, beacuse the "build up" for the pin makes up so much bulk. I'd just use differnt risers. The "New" Stainless grommets used are much lighter weight than the older oned with a bigger inside diameter. You could see if PD will make you a slider with the bigger ones, however the added weight might become a factor for harder openings, and you cannot use brass grommets with that vectran lineset.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RTB 0 #7 December 9, 2003 Quote..., and you cannot use brass grommets with that vectran lineset. Why not? Brass is used with HMA right? Why not vectran? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #8 December 9, 2003 Are they RWS risers new? I have RWS toggles, and they were stiff when the risers were new. THey loosened up after just a few jumps. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webracer 0 #9 December 10, 2003 I use RWS trulocks on all my rigs/canopies. I have trouble with my Xaos and Velocity, but it only adds a couple seconds to the opening sequence. I have dealt with it. I like the risers, and I don't need bigger grommets just to resolve this inconvenience. It also helps stop it from slamming down a bit. (the bulk starts just below the guide ring).Troy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheneyneel 0 #10 December 10, 2003 So webracer you think that it is just something i need to get used to huh? Thats cool.. I have just been used to jumping a slider that had very large gromets so I wasnt sure what, if anything was uncommonly out of place... I think that the way I have been routing my excess line back to the pin and stowing the excess with my pin is the reason why my risers seem so bulky to the gromets.. Well they are the new true lock risers I just couldnt remember what they were called for my original post.. Thanks guys for the info.. I should be able to work things out this weekend with it.. Cheers.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #11 December 10, 2003 i noticed that slider groumets on my crossfire are smaller then the ones on safire i used to own. before i would collapse the slider and pull it thru toggles with one motion, now i have to collapse it and then slowly thread it over toggles, i otherwise it fires on of th toggles and i end up with one toggle above the slider and one below. sucks .. stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #12 December 10, 2003 QuoteWhy not? Brass is used with HMA right? Why not vectran? I believe there is some sort of recation between Brass and Vectran. Not a problem with HMA.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD126r 0 #13 December 11, 2003 I agree with webracer. I have the same problem with my RWS Trulock Risers / Crossfire2 , wich also has rather small grommets. But the only difference from bigger grommets is that instead of yanking the slider down while collapsing it, I collaps it first, then ease it over the risers while still on the look-out for traffic. No sweat, really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
exwhuffo 0 #14 December 11, 2003 I have the same problem. i have to use both hands to pull the slider down the risers aswell. i got new risers when i got the main and after over 300 jumps it isnt much better. im use to it now, but if anyone uses risers that work better i would like to know who you got them from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #15 December 11, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..., and you cannot use brass grommets with that vectran lineset. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why not? Brass is used with HMA right? Why not vectran? The Vectran line is extremely abrasive and will wear thru the lighter brass grommets. HMA line is not abrasive... we've seen brass grommet sliders on HMA lines go over 2000 jumps. (and ya just can't beat the lighter brass for nice openings, whether ya agree with "slider-rebound" or not.) Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #16 December 14, 2003 The Stainless steel grommets used by PD weigh nearly the same as the brass grommets do - I'm at home now so I can't provide you with the weight in grams for each type right now. Feel free to e-mail me at PD after the weekend if you would like get the exact weights and measurements In the past, the st. steel grommets were heavier than the brass ones, but that doesn't apply today (the heavier ones haven't been in use for several years). The brass grommets are approx 2 mm larger (inside diameter) than the stainless steel ones, but nearly identical in weight. Blue ones, KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #17 April 4, 2005 QuoteThe Stainless steel grommets used by PD weigh nearly the same as the brass grommets do - I'm at home now so I can't provide you with the weight in grams for each type right now. Could you provide the weight of a stainless steel grommet and a brass grommet, in grams? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #18 April 5, 2005 Hi Bart - I contacted our Engineering Manager for the information, and as soon as he's back in the office I will edit this post to give you the weight. Blue ones, Kolla Kolbeinsdottir, Performance Designs, IncBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #19 April 13, 2005 Here it is :) Stainless # 25 = 19.16 gr Brass #8 = 21.9 grBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #20 April 13, 2005 Quote Stainless # 25 = 19.16 gr Brass #8 = 21.9 gr Are you sure you did not mix grommet types with weight? I always thought brass was lighter ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #21 April 13, 2005 This is copied exactly out of the e-mail sent to me by our engineering manager, but I will check with him.Blue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egons 0 #22 April 14, 2005 Yes I had the same issue with my Velocity - quick fix... I got a slider with Brass gromets! PD were most helpful explaining the inside diameter of the stainless is less then that of the brass - no big deal. Specify what you want when ordering "Start doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you're doing the impossible!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheneyneel 0 #23 April 15, 2005 Geez!! guys you know that this post is almost two years old??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #24 April 15, 2005 QuoteGeez!! guys you know that this post is almost two years old??? So then tell us, how did you resolve the issue? Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egons 0 #25 April 15, 2005 What's your point? "Start doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you're doing the impossible!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
