Dumpster 0 #1 November 8, 2002 This has probably been discussed before, but here goes- I've got a nice slick Sabre 2 demo canopy all ready for packing, and was wondering what the tips and tricks are to packing them, and what I may need to watch out for! Thanks in advance, folks! -Lenny BEER!! Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #2 November 8, 2002 Sabre2's often open nicely no matter what you do to em! They open almost as nice as a Spectre (what I used to jump). I've tried all different ways of packing it, including plenty of trash packs that looked like crap, and all beautiful openings (maybe except for 1, but don't know how that one happened). You'll love it! I just started psycho packing it too, it's a lot easier to get a brand new or fairly new canopy in the bag with this method, and it opens just as softly (when packed right), but there's lots that can go wrong with the pack, so I wouldn't recommend it. I'm just experimenting for now (only 4 psycho packs done so far), but hey, if I get consistantly awesome openings, I may switch to only psycho packing and I'll post it here to let people know how well the Sabre2 does with that pack job. Have fun with the demo, you'll never think to buy anything else after you jump it!! I was sold on the first jump, lol. Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 #3 November 8, 2002 I just pro packed my Sabre II when it was new. Openings have all been great. You will love it. Flies great. The landings do require a run way to land. Canopy loves to swope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #4 November 8, 2002 I think you would like psycho-packing it. It would go in the bag a log easier. I've had nothing but good openings with it. Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #5 November 8, 2002 PRO pack and just leaving the nose hanging seems to have the most consistent openings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #6 November 8, 2002 Sounds like exactly the way I pack my Spectre-! I load my Spectre 150 at about 1.3, the Sabre II will be loaded the same- Any idea how the two will differ in flight / flare characteristics? Anyone? Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #7 November 8, 2002 QuoteSounds like exactly the way I pack my Spectre-! I load my Spectre 150 at about 1.3, the Sabre II will be loaded the same- Any idea how the two will differ in flight / flare characteristics? Anyone? Which is how I pack my Spectre. Well, I don't want to sound like a cliche, but it glides flatter and is more manueverable. It also enters into the turn quicker and has a lot more flaring power. In fact, you might want to try the next size down later on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #8 November 9, 2002 I went from a Spectre 150 to a Sabre2 135 ... It dives a lil more in turns, opens just as soft, has a more responsive turn too (less input, faster response), swoops further even on just an arms up full glide landing, stalls are deep toggle, like the spectre, but it was harder for me to fold my canopy into a round canopy (stall) on the spectre. By the way, it really doesn't matter that greatly how you pack it ... do what you want with the nose or whatever, the thing that REALLY affects openings the absolute most is body postion, not pack jobs. When you're stable and about to pull, just look at the horizon, not ground, and while it's sniviling, keep looking at the horizon and bring your feet and knees together until that slider drops. Then I usually look up to see what I've got for a canopy. I usually don't look up right away, only will if I don't feel that snatch force right away. I dunno, just suggestions, have fun with the canopy, enjoy it, it's a blast! Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #9 November 9, 2002 QuoteBy the way, it really doesn't matter that greatly how you pack it ... do what you want with the nose or whatever, the thing that REALLY affects openings the absolute most is body postion, not pack jobs. TB, I understand what you are getting at and somewhat agree with you, but does poor body position cause malfunctions? Could be the pack job too, can't it? Line twist can normally be attibuted to body position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #10 November 9, 2002 >>does poor body position cause malfunctions? Horseshoe malfunction can be caused with poor body position or severe line twist. >>Could be the pack job Line overs are caused thanx to poor pack jobs. >>the thing that REALLY affects openings the absolute most is body postion, not pack jobs. try packing it slider down without setting the brakes, nice slam you will get or roll the tail 50 times and you might get yourself a line over or tension knot if am not mistaken. remember this: what you pack is what you will get. HISPA 21 www.panamafreefall.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #11 November 9, 2002 Yea, line overs are pretty much the pack job .. I take great care in flaking during my pack job, because I know you can get lineovers by doing other things, but that's the easiest way. Yea, you're right, but I was thinking more along the lines of off heading openings and consistancy with openings. I wasn't thinking about lineovers:) Twists, however, are MOSTLY caused by body position, not always, but almost always. Lineovers never by position, tensino knots, well, those can be cause by a number of things .. anyways, I'm goin to stop ramblin, you get my point ... edited to add: Oh yea, and I'm talking about regular packs here, lol, not slider down, not setting brakes, etc etc, LOL .. Commen sense there Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #12 November 10, 2002 QuoteHorseshoe malfunction can be caused with poor body position or severe line twist. First, I'm assuming that you meant that you can get severe line twists from poor body position and not that sever line twists can cause a horsheshoe.... Now, would you mind explaining how poor body position can cause a horseshoe malfunction? Horshoe's are normally due to an out of sequence deployment, such as the pin getting dislodged and opening the tray while the PC is still in it's pouch. How would poor body position cause this? Not trying to stir the pot (well, maybe a little) but more to learn from othersI promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #13 November 10, 2002 QuoteFirst, I'm assuming that you meant that you can get severe line twists from poor body position and not that sever line twists can cause a horsheshoe.... Correct, poor body position can cause severe line twist. Pull while having an uncontrolled turn and you will transmit all that energy to the line twist giving you a sever line twist. QuoteHow would poor body position cause this? Glad you asked. I once saw a student do a hop an pop from a cessna, for some common reason with newbies the skydiver went to his/her back and when pulled the PC, it started to horseshow in the hand (is it called hoseshoe when its in the hand?) she made the regular punches and got untangled. Saw it once and also heard the story that it has happened again (can't remember if it was the same person or to another person). Since am not an instructor I might be mistaken by mixing the back to earth pull with poor body position pull, maybe you can clear that out for me. HISPA 21 www.panamafreefall.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #14 November 10, 2002 Quote>>does poor body position cause malfunctions? Horseshoe malfunction can be caused with poor body position or severe line twist. >>Could be the pack job Line overs are caused thanx to poor pack jobs. >>the thing that REALLY affects openings the absolute most is body postion, not pack jobs. try packing it slider down without setting the brakes, nice slam you will get or roll the tail 50 times and you might get yourself a line over or tension knot if am not mistaken. remember this: what you pack is what you will get. Dude, what if your closing pin becomes dislodged and the flap is not secured? Could it cause a Horseshoe? Yeah, it could also happen if you get a pc wrapped around a limb or whatever, but I doubt it. Let go of the pc. Ever free-packed a crew canopy? Looks ugly, but opens great. Fact, not opinion. You have to be an idiot if you don't set your brakes and slider. Bad example, dude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #15 November 10, 2002 QuoteYou have to be an idiot if you don't set your brakes and slider I saw it 4 weeks ago and he is a very skilled jumper (has been invited to a lot of records in the past), he forgot to set the brakes, very scary and painful slam he got, shit happens. It was a stilleto. Saw a skydiver that didn't packed the slider all the way up and got a slam. It was a sabre. Poor body position is not the only thing that can cause a horseshoe. HISPA 21 www.panamafreefall.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #16 November 10, 2002 QuotePoor body position is not the only thing that can cause a horseshoe. We're just saying it's a big huge reason for a lot of things, not saying poor body position is the cause to all mals or all horseshoe mals. Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #17 November 10, 2002 Well, I got two jumps in before the clouds rolled in- Uppers were moving pretty fast so I didn't dump high- Opened around 3 grand like usual - Very nice openings, the slider hung up about 2/3 down on the second jump, but a quick shake of the risers took care of that- I think what impressed me the most was the flare! I didn't get to play too much before it was time to set up for landing, so I can't give too much feedback there yet- Looks like i would prefer this to my Spectre- It's going to be hard going back to it! I hope to get back to the DZ next weekend and get one or two jumps opening high, and really play with it. I packed it much like my Spectre, just shoved the nose back in a little, and rolling the tail just enough to keep it together when I lay it down- Getting it into the bag wasn't bad. Incidentally, I took the tube stows off my D-bag and went with regular bands- (the stows were getting ratty, and I was shoert on $$-) A little more difficult getting bites, but not bad- So far, I can say great openings and great flare, and easy to manuver- Hopefully I'll have more next weekend! C-Ya! Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites