mfrese 0 #1 February 4, 2004 So, I'm going to try out a Velocity 120 in the next couple weeks (unless Kolla breaks my heart again ), and I'm looking for input on flight characteristics and performance from you experienced cross-braced pilots out there. Here's some info on my experience level: Current canopy: Vengeance 135, loaded at about 1.8, about 300 jumps, probably 250+ swoop landings. Previous canopy: Stiletto 150, loaded about 1.6, over 500 jumps, 400+ swoops. PD has great comparison info for the Stiletto vs. the Velocity, but nothing for the Vengeance vs. Velocity. I know the pull-out arc is much longer for the Velocity, and I plan to be extremely conservative with the front riser input under 1000 ft, but any other useful input would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!Doctor I ain't gonna die, Just write me an alibi! ---- Lemmy/Slash Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #2 February 4, 2004 I jumped Stilletos for six years in sizes 107 and 97, owned a Vengeance 97, and have jumped Velos in every size from 111 down to 75 (I jump a Velo 79 regularly nowadays). What you will find from going from a Vengeance to a Velocity is that it really doesn't dive all that much steeper, but builds up more speed and carries it farther across the ground much farther while maintaining a rigid airfoil in the process. PM me for more info if you like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 February 4, 2004 Quoteit really doesn't dive all that much steeper Are you saying that the recovery arc is similar on both canopies? (obviously this is just a text-book learning process for me, since I'm not ready for a Velocity yet).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #4 February 4, 2004 QuoteAre you saying that the recovery arc is similar on both canopies? Vengeance 135 loaded at 1.6 - I start a 180 turn from about 350 feet and a 270 from about 500 feet. From what I have been told, that is a lot lower than you would consider doing it on a Velocity. I would think the angle may be the same but the recovery arc for the Vengeance is shorter.Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 February 4, 2004 QuoteVengeance 135 loaded at 1.6 - I start a 180 turn from about 350 feet and a 270 from about 500 feet. From what I have been told, that is a lot lower than you would consider doing it on a Velocity. True, but I don't know anyone flying a Velocity at a 1.6 loading. At a 2.0 Loading on a loaner Vengance 107 I am starting a 270 at 800+ feet. On my Xaos 93 I'd start between 800 and 1000. On the Demo Velocity 96, I was finding between 800-1000 to be a good place to start a 270.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #6 February 4, 2004 Right. I was loading my Vengeance 97 at about 1.85 and it dove about as far as the Velocity 96 I jumped the same day as a comparison. Recovery arc felt about the same, only the Velocity went much farther across the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #7 February 4, 2004 QuoteTrue, but I don't know anyone flying a Velocity at a 1.6 loading. Never thought of that. Excellent point. I stand corrected.Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfrese 0 #8 February 4, 2004 The "feel" of the recovery arc was my main concern about jumping the Velo. The longer pullout was my biggest concern going to the Vengeance, and all my friends who have gone from the Stiletto to the Velo have gotten psyched out a little by the lighter riser pressure and longer pullout arc. I've been hoping the Vengence and Velocity were similar, glad to hear that it sounds like they are. The starting altitudes are in line with what I've experienced so far as well, thanks for the input! MikeDoctor I ain't gonna die, Just write me an alibi! ---- Lemmy/Slash Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #9 February 4, 2004 I demoed both the Vengeance 135 and the Velo 120, and I would agree with everything I've read so far with regard to recovery arc similarities. And as SkyMonkey1 stated, the Velo will go farther. I would even venture to say that when you shut down under the Velo 120 you will be going about the same speed as you would be under the Vengeance 135. The swoop will have just been longer. The x-braced airfoil is that good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #10 February 4, 2004 and all my friends who have gone from the Stiletto to the Velo have gotten psyched out a little by the lighter riser pressure and longer pullout arc. I think that you will be surprised at how much heavier the front riser pressure is than a Stiletto! From my limited number of jumps on a Stiletto, it was butter compared to my Crossfire1. The Velo front pressure seems double that of any of my Xaos's 21/27,but the rears are lighter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsbbreck 0 #11 February 5, 2004 I'll let you know more in a week. I just got my Velocity 90. Haven't jumped it yet. I'm currently on a Vengence 97. I have jumped a Velocity 103 and the front riser pressure is much heavier than the Vengence.David "Socrates wasn't killed because he had the answer.......he was killed because he asked the question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
