councilman24 37 #1 November 13, 2002 At this years PIA symposium I'm again holding a forum for part time riggers. In the regular Riggers Forum (to which everyone is invited) we usually cover broad high level issues in the rigging community. I know that when I started attending Rigger Conferences/PIA symposia in 1989 I was a little intimidated. I thought my questions were too trivial for the high powered group, or I didn't know enough to even ask a question. That's not necessarily true, but in 2001 I ran a forum geared to the part time rigger. It was meant to be less intimidating, perhaps less formal, mention some basic things about doing business, encourage any and all questions, and encourage continuing education. I'd like to solicit your suggestions on topics and questions that might be good to cover. This year its scheduled for two hours inside of one and I hope to get through a lot of the material I didn't have time for in '01. But, I'd like your suggestions. From experienced riggers about what you think needs to be covered for new and parttime riggers, and from the newbie or wanna be riggers about what you'd like to know. You may have some ideas I haven't thought about. Thanks for your input and hope to see you in Jacksonville.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 November 13, 2002 Speaking as a rigger in training I'd like to know about other resources I can use if my rigging teacher or I can't do something correctly (like packing Racers for me), and how I need to approach the customer to make it look like I'm not a complete idiot in these cases. Also sources of tools and hints, contact lists and the like. Sample packing check lists showing different methods of professional looking billing and accounting for the tools. Sample home loft setups and discussion about rigging at home or in your basement compared to in a loft or hanger. Currency requirements and continual home education sources since people can't make it to PIA every time. Stuff like that....Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #3 November 13, 2002 Thanks for the input. Most of that is the kind of things I've included. My solution to Racers? Don't do them! Seriously, it's been twelve years since I've done a ram air in a racer. I would tell a potential customer that I'm not their best choice for servicing that rig because I'm not current with them. Admiting you cann't do something or are not current shouldn't ever make you look like an idiot. The idiots are the ones who do anything given to them, whether they know how or not. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sar911 0 #4 November 13, 2002 Speaking as a rigger in training I'd like to know about other resources I can use if my rigging teacher or I can't do something correctly (like packing Racers for me), and how I need to approach the customer to make it look like I'm not a complete idiot in these cases. _________________________________________________ Call Jump Shack. I called and went there and it took about three pack jobs to have it down to where I can pack a racer in the same amount of time as other rigs. Once you know the tricks there as easy as any other rig. They are great people to deal with and will bend over backwards to help you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #5 November 17, 2002 I could use a lesson in measuring people for jumpsuits. I know jumpsuits don't really fall exactly into the realm of rigging, but this is something riggers are often asked to do.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 November 17, 2002 Let's compare rigging rates and pay rates across the country. How much do you charge for main instpections? How much extra do you charge for rush jobs? Let's compare the cost of doing a repair yourself or sending it back to the factory. When is someone going to deliver a lecture on re-lining a canopy? How much do you charge for a re-line? Should a rigger be responsible for: re-attaching, inspecting, re-packing the main? Is that included in the cost of a reserve repack? Let's discuss the pros and cons of substituting "similar TSOed components." Let's compare all 18 different types of "positive leverage devices." Let's discuss the legality of repacking a reserve when you know the customer is going to exceed placarded airspeed and weight limitations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sar911 0 #7 November 17, 2002 Hey Rob, I just checked out the PIA convention speaker schedule and couldn't find your name for when you were going to give this lecture. I think you brought up a lot of good questions and it would be a lecture that I would be the first to attend. So are you going to give it at next years convention? Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #8 November 17, 2002 Oh, also: Conducting an airworthiness inspection on used gear that a customer is considering purchasing.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #9 November 18, 2002 Thanks for the input. TerryI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
