skyyhi 0 #1 June 22, 2004 After flying the bejesus out of my Sabre 210 (w/l at .68:1), I have downsized to a Hornet 170 (w/l at .84:1). My landings are stand-up, I can flat turn, rear riser turn/lare and all that. Okay, now for my questions: Obviously the two canopies offer much different performance. The Hornet 170 is much more responsive when turning. The pendulum effect happens quickly compared to the Sabre 210. So the problem I seem to be having is in the flare. On my Sabre 210, I did a two-stage flare, half brakes to plane it out and the final flare to "lift" the canopy and set me on my feet. On the Hornet, I seem to be having difficulty finding the place where it "surfs". I did some hop 'n' pops with it the other day (at Elsinore those are from 5k so lots of time to play) to try to work this out but never really got the feel for where the surf happens. It almost seems that I am using up all the flare before I get the toggles to chest level. In fact, it was very easy for me to completely shut down the canopy going to full brakes and I didn't have to hold it for even a second. I assume I should try this again but toggle it much more slowly to actually find the sweet spot - I guess I have been so used to working the "toggles in the crotch" on my 210 to get it to shut down that I tend to overshoot on the hornet. Any insight or pointers? Am I on the right track?________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lifewithoutanet 0 #2 June 22, 2004 QuoteIt almost seems that I am using up all the flare before I get the toggles to chest level. In fact, it was very easy for me to completely shut down the canopy going to full brakes and I didn't have to hold it for even a second. Are your brake lines too short? In flight w/ toggles all the way up, is there a smooth arc between the ring on your rear risers and the tail of the canopy? Or are your brake lines straight, indicating that they might be too taught and may already have the canopy flying at partial brake? -C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #3 June 22, 2004 QuoteOr are your brake lines straight, indicating that they might be too taught and may already have the canopy flying at partial brake? Good question. . .I didn't think to check that - which is kinda funny because when I got my 210, the first thing I noticed was how LONG my brake lines were. When I had them checked they were 5 inches out of trim. . .lol! I will take a look on next flight.________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerock 1 #4 June 22, 2004 Really, the best possible thing you can do is ask a very experienced canopy pilot or instructor for some help. Have them video your landing and go over it with you, frame-by-frame. You learn loads by watching yourself landing and having someone with a lot of experience say, "oh, look what you did there...", sometimes you don't need another person to point out some of your obvious mistakes :> I'm sure there's plenty of swell folks there that would be willing to take a few minutes out of their day to give you some help. Good luck, -Rory QuoteQuoteOr are your brake lines straight, indicating that they might be too taught and may already have the canopy flying at partial brake? Good question. . .I didn't think to check that - which is kinda funny because when I got my 210, the first thing I noticed was how LONG my brake lines were. When I had them checked they were 5 inches out of trim. . .lol! I will take a look on next flight. You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raistlin 0 #5 June 22, 2004 I jump the same canopy, albeit at 1.3, and am still learning to fly it. I start the flare slowly and never stop it, and when the land gets just -this- close, I intensify the pressure on the toggles to reach just below the chest, and the canopy surfs. I still have troubles sliding or lifting feet, so I just run it out for 3 or 4 steps - not good, but at least on my feet. If you tame yours, PM me with the secret recipe, mkay? :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #6 June 22, 2004 QuoteI still have troubles sliding or lifting feet, so I just run it out for 3 or 4 steps - not good, but at least on my feet. If you tame yours, PM me with the secret recipe, mkay? No problem. Of course, at my wingloading it is a pretty gentle stand-up landing even without the surf, but I am used to getting a little surf going before the lift. I learned accuracy that way. I just need to find that surf point. . . Gee darn, I just might have to go play in the sky some more. . .lol.________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
