Rear riser input

[speedy 0]

I heard lately that the best way to apply input to the rear risers when swooping is to pull them apart rather than pulling down on them.

The reason given was that by pulling down on them you tend to pump more air out of the canopy.

Can any swoopers out there add a bit more insight into this?

Dave

Fallschirmsport Marl

[swooper120 0]

I do a little of both...When I grab my rears..my thumbs are to the inside of the riser..and I pull out and down..but none one more than the other!

When I am carving with rears, I use more of a downward input with the rears.

XAOS27 - 78..loaded at 2.1...and anywhere from a 270 to 360 setup.

-swooper120

[diablopilot 2]

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The reason given was that by pulling down on them you tend to pump more air out of the canopy.

No matter if one is better than the other, something that probably very specific to canopy type and flying style, the above statment is silly.

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[kaerock 1]

I think the real difference this is that you get a flatter canopy when you pull them apart. Flatter canopy == more lift. Similar theory to the triple-risers or flaring outward rather than downward.

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I heard lately that the best way to apply input to the rear risers when swooping is to pull them apart rather than pulling down on them.

The reason given was that by pulling down on them you tend to pump more air out of the canopy.

Can any swoopers out there add a bit more insight into this?

You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE

[ccowden 0]

Pushing/pulling the risers apart instead of down is definitely the way to go. It is simply a much more efficient technique to trim the canopy with less drastic change to the wing. You can get very good results with pulling down on the rears, but if you are asking which is better, I think you will find that most Pros will tell you they only pull or push them apart and not pull them down. I will let someone else explain the characteristics of a wing if you want to get into that. It is alos for much of the same reasons as stated above for flattening the wing. Much like pulling the slider down to let the risers seperate. You also have a lot less tendency to give too much input when pushing them apart.

[DancingFlame 0]

May I ask you to explain, why pulling toggles apart gives better flare than pushing them down?
In my opinion, there is little or no difference (well, pulling apart looks better ). Toggles are routed through the small rings on the risers... why pulling them apart distorts canopy less than pulling them down? Pulling force is still directed the same way...

[skygod7777 0]

when you flare to the side with toggles it will deflect them a bit, therefore not using as much input and giving the rear riser effect just a bit.

later

[mr2mk1g 10]

He's posting about pulling the rear risers appart not the toggles.

[ccowden 0]

Correct-

This post is about REAR RISER INPUT and not about flaring with toggles. It is meant as a discussion about different techniques for trimming out the canopy using rear risers.

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

That's true, but I can kill two birds with one stone by telling you why I pull outward on my rears. By pulling outward, as opposed to pulling down, I have less chance of inducing an unwanted turn. Also, at the point in my swoop where I go from rears to toggles, there is no "bump" as the slack is taken up in the control lines. If your hands are already out to the sides, then the released risers will not pop back straight, but still be deflected a bit because your control lines are held taut by the guide ring. Almost seamless.

[tspillers 0]

I pull out, but threre is most likely a slight down as well.

Todd

I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.