WrongWay 0 #1 August 10, 2004 I have a bit over 500 jumps, and jump a Sabre2 loaded just under 1.40, which I've been flying for roughly 300 jumps. I've been playing up high on my rears for a while, but I'm not sure when is a good time to start trying RR landings. I want to take things as slow and safely as possible (as I enjoy walking ), and I'd like to know from some experienced canopy pilots if it's a good idea or if I should wait a little longer. Thanks. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #2 August 10, 2004 Rear riser landings (as in straight in), try one today. Rear riser swoops, not just yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #3 August 10, 2004 Answers my question perfectly. Thanks Dave, I appreciate it. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 August 10, 2004 Just within the past couple months I've started using my rears for swooping. So I had probably nearly 1100 jumps when I started hitting the rears for swooping. If it wasn't for the following, I probably wouldn't be on them this soon: I do a lot of non-contact CReW on my sport canopy, using rears (and everything else including canopy warps) to keep on level, etc with other canopies (not just HP canopies). Basically, for me using RR swoops, I reached a point in which I knew I could do it, I wasn't wondering anymore. I waited until I didn't ask myself "am I ready for this" and knew at that point I could do it. Now its taken a while to really start to get the feel of it, and I still use toggles if I'm a bit low in my turn. Hopefully my rambling has helped in some way.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #5 August 10, 2004 Yeah that does help a bit. FWIW, I wasn't planning on doing any hp landings on rears, just your every day straight in approaches. I can surf an itty bitty bit on toggles (like 15-20 feet ) and I'm happy to be doing only that and walking away to jump again, so I plan on saving the hardcore swooping for a couple years from now. Thanks for the advice. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #6 August 10, 2004 I started getting on my rears in the high 700s, but I was coached on it, and had 200+ jumps on that canopy. Maybe a little early, but having some actual training on the matter definitely helped from both a performance and safety view."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #7 August 10, 2004 Probably quite a bit too early. While you can land anyting on your rears, hp canopies are the ones that respond well to them. For that matter, x-brace seems to be best suited for that type of input. My xfire felt mushy with rr landings. By all means, practice using them up high. Using rr will get you back from long spots better and in general you will know more about your canopy having flown them. But it is an advenced manuever, and unless you are wringing everything out of a hp canopy, landing on rears is just adding danger with no real benefit. I had well over 1000 swoops before I started using rears, but then again, use of reas has only gained popularity in the last couple years, with the real swoop pioneers starting to use them maybe 5 years ago. I had wanted to start using them but was intimidated, and then on a well timed set up my hands just felt good on the risres and I pushed them apart and wow, it felt really great. The rest as they say is history. Cya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #8 August 10, 2004 I was taught the use of RR landings as a student. As it was told to me, if you break a steering line are you going to chop an otherwise good canopy for a chance that your main may malfunction? This led me to start using my RR early on. Using them even on close spots, to get comfortable with the feel. Doing RR turns right on opening, so that if needed I could use them to avoid collisions and not waste time unstowing breaks. Sure as shit within 50 jumps, a pressure knot wouldn't let the right toggle unstow. RR landing no problem. I'm pretty tame on swooping, so I don't use them much for that. But I say be ready to use them for landing from early on.JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flow 1 #9 August 11, 2004 After reading other replies it seems I may have been a bit early but just last weekend I made my first rr swoops. Since then on every landing I've practiced using them and getting a good feeling what can be done. How did I end up doing this? Like Treejumps mentioned, after frontriser turn hands went to rears and everything felt perfect, even had a good time to think am I going to do it or do I flare with toggles, and just pushed them apart. Ended up little high but I think thats better than being low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #10 August 11, 2004 This thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1150365;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread has some really good info about using rears before you are ready and what can happen if used improperly. It may not be exactly what is being discussed here, but I think it is worth a look. In my opinion, rear risers should only be learned after everything else has been learned and you have become consistent and proficient with all swooping techniques. Rear risers is a way to TWEAK what should already be a really nice, safe swoop. They should never be a part of LEARNING to swoop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #11 August 11, 2004 QuoteThey should never be a part of LEARNING to swoop. Well to be honest I have no intentions of swooping with them, just straight in stuff. I basically want to wring out my canopy all I can and learn all it can do without hooking. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #12 August 11, 2004 I know you mean swooping, but to not confuse anyone that might not understand what you mean. You should start trying rear riser procedures EARLY in your jumping career. I had to use rear riser to land 2 times once on jump number 9 and then again on jump number 11. I had never tried rear risers before jump number 9 and I was sorry I had not. Broken steering line rear riser flared onto a severly bruised tail bone. Jump number 10 lots of rear riser flares. Jump number 11, another broken steering line, rear riser landing/plf was perfect, jumped up screaming "yea take that murphys law"!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #13 August 11, 2004 QuoteI know you mean swooping I appreciate the story, but how many times in a thread do I have to state that I'm talking about straight in landings and not 1000000 foot swoops? Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #14 August 11, 2004 Quotehow many times in a thread do I have to state that I'm talking about straight inThree, apparently."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #15 August 11, 2004 How many times do people just read the initial post and not the whole thread? Your initial post stated nothing about not swooping. That is why I posted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #16 August 12, 2004 I apologize. I misunderstood the original post. Sorry for any inconvenience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
