TALONSKY 0 #26 September 8, 2004 Triple risers ? I thought most people went away from them due to, by pull your rear risers out when flaring you gain a marginal increase on efficientcy(do to the wing profile being flatter). Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #27 September 8, 2004 Quote Triple risers ? I thought most people went away from them do to, by pull your rear risers out when flaring you gain a marginal increase on efficientcy(do to the wing profile being flatter). Kirk I have heard that before and don't doubt. Its just that I have had some of my risers from before that was said / discovered and not gotten around to changing them. However, I have been thinking about possibly going to standard risers on the next pair I purchase.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #28 September 8, 2004 You know this thread is getting way off track. It is about JC setting a new distance record not who can land a canopy at 4 to 1 wingloading. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parachutist 2 #29 September 9, 2004 QuoteJC swooping a distance of 132.85 mtr (435.86 ft.). Henny, do you have any info about what canopy JC was flying, at what wing loading, and what approach he made? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdfreefly 1 #30 September 9, 2004 What is the difference if you run it out or slide it in? It's the same thing. 4.0 wing loadings are great for proving it can be done, but for pure "swoopability" I would think they suck. The fact that none of the leaders in any of the national comps are using wing loadings anywhere near that high should be a clue to us. I don't think any of the top ten at last years world cup were over 2.5. Correct me if I am wrong. Anyway, the fact remains that a swoop as long as the one JC pulled off is of serious note. Regardless of what the wind was doing, as long as it was withing comp parameters, it is a world record. How can anyone question how remarkable that is? I would guess my longest to date is around the 200 foot mark and that was on more than a 5mph downwind. I think about doubling that and it just blows my mind. Absolutely fucking incredible...I mean shit! Damn! Fuck! Methane Freefly - got stink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParaShoot 0 #31 September 9, 2004 I wrote this to some magazines: ============= Sunday September 5, JC Colclasure (member of the Icarus Extreme Team jumping his Icarus VX 111 without RDS) made a new World Record in the Distance event at our 7th edition of the Dutch Swooping Tour at Dutch DZ Stadtlohn just over the border in Germany. Same place where we had our Dutch Nationals. JC made a distance of 132.85 mtr (=435.86 ft) on the course with use of the DST sensor system. At the previous rounds it already looked like we could get a record so we checked the accuracy of the measuring tape (tight, straight, etc.) and this was perfect. Because we also improved our Dutch record a few times during the event (Barry Reverda finally set it to 103.55 mtr) we're sure that not only the high skills but all other factors contributed to this incredible record. The DZ is at 157 mtr (515 ft), surrounded by trees, it was very hot (30C°), pretty humid and there was a moderate (± 2½ m/s) crosswind (45° in the back but behind trees). The next (8th) and final DST event for 2004 will take place at one of the beaches of water resort Bussloo and will be run from Airport Teuge a 7 km drive from the beach. The DST events are open so feel free to come and play. Dutch Swooping Tour ===================== Regarding the wind limits: IPC CP rule 4.14.2: The maximum allowable wind speed at ground level in Canopy Piloting is 7 m/s in any direction on the competition course. As states above the wind was far from this limit. JC didn't have a RDS system on his canopy and he made his typical 270° approach. Although CP is a new official IPC discipline I understood that no records are added to Sporting Code section V yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #32 September 9, 2004 QuoteAnybody who can fly & land @ a wingloading above 4.0 can do it. Really? You're pretty sure of this. Guess what. Flying and landing a 4.0 wingloading isn't that hard. Doing it consitantly and safely is. IT's a stunt, and should be treated as such. Sounds like you've got sour grapes buddy. You appear to be standing around saying big deal, while silently screaming "LOOK AT ME!" Who cares really.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #33 September 9, 2004 QuoteSo it does take a lot of skill to land a 4.0 or more wingload. Not really. Takes far more skill to hit a 10 foot gate and swoop a 185 ft corse 3 times in a row.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #34 September 9, 2004 The vid of the stuff I did have is here: http://www.euroswooop.com/dutch/IndexWow.htm (video is on the bottom) ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeFlyFridge 0 #35 September 9, 2004 Can´t open or download it!------------------------------------------------------ ROCK ON,.....HARD! Proud European!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #36 September 9, 2004 It's a wmv, you need windows media player (do you have a mac?) ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeFlyFridge 0 #37 September 9, 2004 Yep, I have a Powerbook G4, but with the Media Player! What do I do wrong?------------------------------------------------------ ROCK ON,.....HARD! Proud European!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #38 September 9, 2004 Sorry, don't know.... Never worked with a Mac. Maybe someone on the video forums does..? ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #39 September 9, 2004 It opened fine for me on my PC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #40 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnybody who can fly & land @ a wingloading above 4.0 can do it. Really? You're pretty sure of this. Guess what. Flying and landing a 4.0 wingloading isn't that hard. Doing it consitantly and safely is. IT's a stunt, and should be treated as such. Sounds like you've got sour grapes buddy. You appear to be standing around saying big deal, while silently screaming "LOOK AT ME!" Who cares really. Its funny to hear this since I have done it hundreds of times and Cani has done it a handfull of times. Yet, you as many others here are all over his ass competing to give it the biggest kiss. When I jumped my canopy for the first time, I had my good freinds at my local DZ watching. I didn't have TV cameras there to make it appear as if I was doing something that hadn't been done before. I didn't have a picture taken with my canopy lying over at tandem to try to make it appear small. The reality is that if you put my 55 side by side with the 39 there is not a huge difference and if you put both of them on top of a tandem, I bet most from a picture couldn't tell which was which. My issue isn't about look I am great, I did it first, (although I did.) But its about the hyprocisy that I get from Cani's cheerleaders. I post a few pictures that I am proud of and get all the canopy nazi's talking all the possible crap that they know nothing about. Meanwhile a video gets posted of Cani obviously stalling it and most likely falling down with it and his cheerleaders are still out in the front trying to deny what they clearly saw. Meanwhile in attempt to not seem like assholes they claim it all to be in the name of safety.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeFlyFridge 0 #41 September 9, 2004 It´s all about promotion! It´s his job do be in the media for his sponsors, nothing more nothing less! If it´s not such such a big deal for you to land a small canopy, then fine, but it may be for others. Same with JC when he sets a new distance record he´s getting more and more media attention whch makes him more and more valuable for his sponsors, the one´s who pay him! It´s a business and this one lives from the attention of the people! Compare it to other sports, like football, tennis or over here in europe soccer! Even though one might not be the best, then still get the most attention and the most money! People like Anna Kournikova, a pretty good female tennis player, but never won a tournament, but still got the best advertising contracts from her sponsors! Even better than the no.1 ranked female tennis player! So if you´re in this business and you earn your money with it, it´s your job to get noticed for what you´ve accomplished! If you can do the same, fine, either go out and tell everybody that you can do it better or shut up and just keep on doing it for yourself! Obviously, you are not doing it for yourself! Otherwise you just would have laughed about the hype and kept on doing it for yourself! Poor you, nobody recognizes you, and your sooo good! >sarcasm< But on the other hand, who the f... cares about who has the smallest! I don´t! But anyway, big up to JC for having that phat swoop!! I´m impressed!!------------------------------------------------------ ROCK ON,.....HARD! Proud European!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #42 September 9, 2004 Dude, We all had to listen to this about a year ago. Your only supporter then was you newbie jumping girlfriend who didn't know any better - I assume she is out of the picture as I don't see her chiming in this time. What the hell do you mean YOU were the first??!! No - you weren't. Period. In fact you're not even second because others have jumped the 46 and you have not. And lets not even go there with the 39. You are not a pioneer. Want to be one? See if Icarus will sell you a 38. Why would Luigi lay out the 39 on top of a Tandem - for the same reason that Guiness usuaully takes a picture of the tallest living person standing beside the shortest - it illustrates a point well. Luigi stall the 39? I've seen a few different videos from a few different events where Luigi has jumped it, and he has stood them all up. You, on the other hand, have some very dirty knees in the picture you posted. Listen - you have obviously got some skill to be able to jump at the extremes of wing loading several hundred times and not maim or kill yourself. I think we can all appreciate that for what it is. If it makes you feel better, we may dub you King Survivor. But, until you start breaking records, winning competitions, or actually being the FIRST to do something - nobody is really going to give a shit. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
txblondie 0 #43 September 9, 2004 First of all, I'm not out of the picture, I just don't find it necessary to squabble with children like yourself all the time...I actually have a day job, and I have work to do here. However, let me address some of what you said here, and maybe, since I've been around the sport a little longer you won't be so quick to dismiss my credibility. I don't talk about things when I don't know what I'm talking about. Now, you claim I was his only supporter back then; check your facts, do a little research. If you look up the old threads on this, you will find he had a LOT of support besides myself, from people who had been in the sport a lot longer than myself. And as for being a "pioneer", check your facts again. He's not claiming he's flying the smallest canopy, he's claiming to have loaded it higher first, which is absolutely true. He outweighs Luigi by over 70 pounds, and the first time he jumped his 55 (long before Luigi had the precious 39 loaded at 4.0 or 4.1, whatever it is), Bruno was loading the 55 between 4.1 and 4.2, meaning that he WAS the first to load a canopy that heavy. Maybe you should go back to 3rd grade and learn how to divide before you say something that makes you sound like YOU don't know what YOU'RE talking about, and maybe you should watch your mouth, because it's not very nice to talk about someone (like me) when I'm not around to defend myself. That's childish and petty, and I won't stand for it. ***************************************** Blondes do have more fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeFlyFridge 0 #44 September 9, 2004 Your way off topic, go take that into PM´s! You are around, you defended yourself, now children let go of it and be nice again! C-ya!------------------------------------------------------ ROCK ON,.....HARD! Proud European!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
txblondie 0 #45 September 9, 2004 QuoteYour way off topic, go take that into PM´s! You are around, you defended yourself, now children let go of it and be nice again! C-ya! Oh, I have no problem letting it go now, I just wanted to correct some wrong information! Have a nice day, I'm done. ***************************************** Blondes do have more fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #46 September 9, 2004 Um, hate to tell you this, but Luigi loaded up with lead and landed the 46 at a wing loading of 4.6 a long time ago - like right after he first started jumping that canopy. That's how he and Icarus got the idea for a sub-40 canopy. So no, Bruno was not the first to do anything. Easy now, I hardly think there is anything in my previous post that was malicious towards you. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #47 September 9, 2004 QuoteUm, hate to tell you this, but Luigi loaded up with lead and landed the 46 at a wing loading of 4.6 a long time ago - like right after he first started jumping that canopy. That's how he and Icarus got the idea for a sub-40 canopy. So no, Bruno was not the first to do anything. Easy now, I hardly think there is anything in my previous post that was malicious towards you. Canuck actually if you did the math you would clearly see this is BS, but it all go back to sensationalism. First if you stand next Cani you can clearly see he does not weigh over 130 pounds (140 tops). Even if you went to the website the posted wingloading on the 46 as 3.5. After I pointed out that he was stalling it on all the landings they had posted, the landings were removed. Now the first thing I said when I saw him landing the 39 was that he was landing it way better than he did the 46 and for that I gave him credit. But back to the topic at hand. He may have flown the 46 with 50 pounds of weight and cut it away. However, not only is there no video of him actually landing it with weight, but there was plenty of video of him landing it without weights and having a hell of a hard time at that. (running like hell while the canopy was stalling out behind him.) Funny thing is it all comes back to sensationalism. As soon as he jumped the 39 cheerleaders on the same website somehow imagined that he was wearing weights while so. Whatever...If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #48 September 9, 2004 It is interesting that after doing a search on your post, a lot of them are to discredit others while shining a light on you. Hmmm, are we trying to make up for a lack of something? I think, that whether it is with a slight downwind or not to break over 400 feet is quite a feat and should not be discredited unless the person discrediting it can do better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #49 September 9, 2004 Oh, wait that's right you do not swoop for distance as you have stated quite a few times in past threads. So, what does all this have to do with JC setting a new world record distance swoop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #50 September 9, 2004 QuoteIt is interesting that after doing a search on your post, a lot of them are to discredit others while shining a light on you. Hmmm, are we trying to make up for a lack of something? I think, that whether it is with a slight downwind or not to break over 400 feet is quite a feat and should not be discredited unless the person discrediting it can do better. If you read my original post you would see my point was not to discredit anyone. I just believe the truth is always better than fiction. I believe that inflating somebody's accomplishments takes away from them, rather than adds, that you should say it like it is regardless of the situation. I made it very clear that my intent was not to diminish anybody's accomplishments. (in those exact words)If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
