FeFe 0 #1 November 20, 2002 Planning to jump in Orlando, and considering bringing my own gear from Europe. My national requirement for repacks is 6 months, with next scheduled repack in two months. Will my rig (TSO'd) be jumpable in the US? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #2 November 20, 2002 You cannot jump in the U.S. with a reserve that has not been packed within the last 120 days under section 105.43(a)(2)(i) of the Federal Aviation Regulations (I assume that section applies to your reserve - if you have a silk reserve, the requirement would be 60 days). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #3 November 20, 2002 nononono.... If the jumper is a foreign jumper, and his equipment foreign equipment, then his/her country rules are extended. Dont have the link here, but do a search on this forum and you'll find it.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #4 November 20, 2002 try this http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=111673#111673 and this http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=114944#114944Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #5 November 20, 2002 From Skydive City's Web Site: "You must also have airworthy equipment, and while most people travel with well- known and well-kept equipment, we do see a few un-safe rigs come through here. Since the equipment is controlled under Federal Law here in the USA, we must inspect your system and make sure it meets the legal requirements. We have a waiver to the USA TSO on file here for operation of our dropzone so that you can jump your foreign gear. It still must have a 120 day reserve repack, and if you are in doubt about your rig, please bring the owner's manual along with you as we may need a copy of it for our files." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #6 November 20, 2002 the city has its own rule.... good on them. The FAA rule is different.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #7 November 20, 2002 You're right. Under section 105.49(a)(4)(ii), generally, a foreign parachutist can jump foreign equipment if the reserve is current under the rules of the parachutist's home country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #8 November 20, 2002 Call the DZ you're planning to visist is the best bet. Lake Wales has a lot of Euopeans (so does the city, so lord knows why they have their little rule...).Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sar911 0 #9 November 20, 2002 Some DZs may prefer to require everyone to have the same 120 day pack cycle just to prevent confusion on who is from where etc. I think it was a good suggeston to call the DZ ahead to see what the rules are that way you can make an informed decision as to where they want to go. Welcome to America where we still have the freedom of choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #10 November 20, 2002 QuoteWelcome to America where we still have the freedom of choice. [rolls his eyes] sorry, I forgot the US invented democracy and freedom....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #11 November 20, 2002 Z-hills has the 120 day for everyone (unless you can talk TK into something different), Lake Wales should be following what the FAR's say so you should be good. One thing to note is if you have a spare freebag and pilot chute it might not be a bad idea to take it with you to the states since losing that item on a reserve ride will ground you till a new one can arive from Europe or untill you pay gear rental fees.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeFe 0 #12 November 20, 2002 Thanks a bunch everyone. Will call DZ then... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #13 November 20, 2002 >Welcome to America where we still have the freedom of choice. Hmm, I think my freedom to use a reserve out to 180 or 360 days, per the manufacturer's recommendations, are severely restricted here in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #14 November 20, 2002 Okay, here's a question for you. The section that permits jumping with a reserve packed in accordance with foreign requirements specifically applies to non-approved parachutes. All approved parachutes appear to fall under the 120-day rule. If a foreign parachutist brings over U.S. approved gear (the gear in question is TSO'd so that's approved gear) it would appear to be subject to the 120-day rule in the U.S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #15 November 21, 2002 Sorry Dog...as long as they are a foreign jumper they can follow the 180 or whatever they have in there home country...and as long as they are not staying here..... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #16 November 21, 2002 What language in the regulation are you basing your conclusion on? Do you have a cite to an official FAA pronouncement on the subject? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #17 November 21, 2002 The fact that my ex brother in law and my ex uncle in law both work for the FAA...this was in the last revision...I will Emailyou the regs in a few.... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #18 November 21, 2002 Quoteand this http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=114944#114944 Hey, I resemble that smart ass comment! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic 0 #19 November 21, 2002 One of my freiends went out to deland with his rig which was inside out 180 days limit, but outside of the American 120 day limit. Because it was legal in his home country, they let him jump.----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #20 November 21, 2002 Yes, but what were the constinuent components of the rig, that's the crucial information?! I suspect it was all "foreign" in their eyes. Deland have been proven (as in the uk.rec.skydiving thread) to be one of the sticklers when interpreting the FAA regulations when the container is US manufactured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #21 November 21, 2002 QuoteThe fact that my ex brother in law and my ex uncle in law both work for the FAA...this was in the last revision...I will Emailyou the regs in a few.... Are you saying that your ex-brother-in-law and ex-uncle-in-law told you that the regulation says that any foreign jumper can jump any rig he owns as long as that rig meets the requirements of the country he comes from? What positions do they hold at the FAA, and are their opinions or interpretations a matter of public record so we can cite them? I have the regulations, but not any FAA interpretations separate from their responses to the comments that were published with the regulations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #22 November 21, 2002 A recent CSPA Service Bulletin reminded Canadian jumpersr to repack their reserves before their winter vacation, because = when in doubt - many American DZs enforce the 120 day repack cycle. The CSPA Service Bulletin also made clear that CSPA's 180 day repack cycle does not apply when Canadian skydivers take their TSOed gear South for the winter. The Apostle Paul said it almost 2,000 years ago: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #23 November 21, 2002 I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.... QuoteSec. 105.49 Foreign parachutists and equipment (a) No person may conduct a parachute operation, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow a parachute operation to be conducted from that aircraft with an unapproved foreign parachute system unless- (1) The parachute system is worn by a foreign parachutist who is the owner of that system. (2) The parachute system is of a single-harness dual parachute type. (3) The parachute system meets the civil aviation authority requirements of the foreign parachutist's country. (4) All foreign non-approved parachutes deployed by a foreign parachutist during a parachute operation conducted under this section shall be packed as follows- (i) The main parachute must be packed by the foreign parachutist making the next parachute jump with that parachute, a certificated parachute rigger, or any other person acceptable to the Administrator. (ii) The reserve parachute must be packed in accordance with the foreign parachutist's civil aviation authority requirements, by a certificated parachute rigger, or any other person acceptable to the Administrator. -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #24 November 21, 2002 It's difficult because one section deals with U.S. jumpers using FAA-approved U.S. gear and the other section (the one you quote) deals with foreign jumpers using non-approved foreign gear, which creates confusion over how a foreign jumper with approved U.S. gear is to be treated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #25 November 21, 2002 QuoteIt's difficult because one section deals with U.S. jumpers using FAA-approved U.S. gear and the other section (the one you quote) deals with foreign jumpers using non-approved foreign gear, which creates confusion over how a foreign jumper with approved U.S. gear is to be treated. Ok, is this the section you are referring to about the U.S. jumpers with FAA-approved gear? QuoteSec. 105.43 Use of single-harness, dual-parachute systems No person may conduct a parachute operation using a single-harness, dual-parachute system, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow any person to conduct a parachute operation from that aircraft using a single-harness, dual-parachute system, unless that system has at least one main parachute, one approved reserve parachute, and one approved single person harness and container that are packed as follows: (a) The main parachute must have been packed within 120 days before the date of its use of a certificated parachute rigger, the person making the next jump with that parachute, or a non-certificated person under the direct supervision of a certificated parachute rigger. (b) The reserve parachute must have been packed by a certificated parachute rigger- (1) Within 120 days before the date of its use, if its canopy, shroud, and harness are composed exclusively of nylon, rayon, or similar synthetic fiber or material that is substantially resistant to damage from mold, mildew, and other fungi, and other rotting agents propagated in a moist environment; or (2) Within 60 days before the date of its use, if it is composed of any amount of silk, pongee, or other natural fiber, or material not specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section. (c) If installed, the automatic activation device must be maintained in accordance with manufacturer instructions for that automatic activation device. -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
