Jskydiver22 0 #1 October 31, 2004 So what is the difference between the stiletto and the cobalt. (Not the comp. cobalt). They are both eliptical but how do they fly compared to each other. Which holds a better dive. How do they react to front riser input in comparrison. Just looking for some general info on these canopies compared to each other. Any input is appreciated. --I don't even know enough to know that I dont know-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 October 31, 2004 The stiletto has a flater glide then a cobalt, and the recovery arc is shorter. However, the stiletto opens a hell of a lot better then the cobalts I've jumped. If I had the choice I would MUCH rather jump a stiletto then a cobalt.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #3 October 31, 2004 Quote . However, the stiletto opens a hell of a lot better then the cobalts I've jumped Quote I disagree If I had the choice I would MUCH rather jump a stiletto then a cobalt. Quote Not me.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #4 October 31, 2004 If the Cobalt didn't have that "Two Stage" opening, it would be fine. It flies great. Disagree all you want but Cobalt’s are hit and miss when it comes to opening characteristics. That goes for both the Cobalt and the Competition Cobalt. Edit to add: 1000's of jumps on many different Stilettos and definitely enough on a Cobalt to make that assessment.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jskydiver22 0 #5 October 31, 2004 Thats fine that you disagree, but you didnt really give me any more info on these two canopies. Well, tell me about your experiences on them. I know that you dont think the stilettos are better now, but tell me why. --I don't even know enough to know that I dont know-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jskydiver22 0 #6 October 31, 2004 Could you please explain for me the two staged opening. What does it do? --I don't even know enough to know that I dont know-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #7 October 31, 2004 http://makeashorterlink.com/?S16F328A9 Do a search on Cobalt in gear and rigging and in this forum. You'll finde lots of stuff. Don't buy into the pilot chute size and tracking bullshit. It's a parachute, you should be able to deploy it and feel confident that it's going to do what it's supposed to. I was able dump my stiletto going as slow or as fast as I want to with a 27 or 28 inch (I forget which it is and it's packed up) and it was comfortable and consistant. I've jumped a cobalts that seemed to open just fine, and a few that seemed to do nothing..... then SLAM!!! Anyway, as an airfoil, it kicks ass. But some will open in a not so desirable way. If you get a good one, then excellent. If you don't, there's at least one person that will tell you you're doing something all wrong. hehehe... Search on Cobalt, I'm off to a Halloween party. By the way, if your profile is accurate keep researching for a while longer ok Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jskydiver22 0 #8 October 31, 2004 Hey, thanks alot for that link and the additional info. Yeah my profile is accurate and i do plan on researching longer before i buy. I weigh about 140 with gear, i was thinkin about going with a 120. I understand that its fully eliptical and i can get hurt on it (as with any other canopy). When i go to get it, i will be ready for it, i can almost fly my canopy as it is now fast, slow, crab with wind, front risers, rears, etc... Im not in a hurry, Please dont think im being cocky and in to big of a hurry. I understand that this may be progressing fast, but i intend to get a coach and not do hook turns on it for a while. Ive talked with someone with 1000+ jumps and 3000+ jumps who are going to watch me close. I thought about posting here weather or not to buy one next year, but decided not to due to the fact that none of you could judge that because you dont know how good or bad i am under canopy. Trust me, if im not ready for it, i dont think mom's gonna let me jump it. --I don't even know enough to know that I dont know-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #9 October 31, 2004 My opinion may be limited to the canopies I have flown, so it may be a bit byous. I find that for over all performance and openings the Icarus Crossfire is by far the best. It truely is a great blend of nice openings and great performance especially the Crossfire 2. Here is my history of canopies and jumps. 100 jump Falcon 195, 300 jumps Safire 169, 120 Jumps Crossfire 2 130, 50 jumps Crossfire 1 129, 77 Jumps VX 109, 1 Jump Velocity 120, 13 Jumps Xaos 98 27 cell. I know, I have not jumped either the Cobalt or the Stiletto but just demo all of them and see for yourself. Oh yeah, if you jump a Cobalt you will have to get a smaller pilot chute and dump in a track in order to get that "two stage" opening, that is Snivel, WHACK, shit that hurt. If you do a search on the Cobalt you will find all of the things you will need to do in order to get it to open nice. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #10 October 31, 2004 My remarks are based on my experiences. I've owned two Stilettos and liked them well enough. I've got several jumps on Cobalts and like them better because they dive much longer, seem faster, definitely swoop farther and seem to have a more powerful flare. I think that they are a product of a more advanced design. My Cobalt openings have been at least as good as the Stiletto's and were definitely two-stage. Either canopy should open well if set up and packed correctly. I'd be jumping one now if I wasn't hooked on the Xaos. Pardon the pun.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #11 October 31, 2004 Quote Oh yeah, if you jump a Cobalt you will have to get a smaller pilot chute and dump in a track in order to get that "two stage" opening, that is Snivel, WHACK, shit that hurt. That's a three stage opening. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teixido 0 #12 October 31, 2004 If possible demo them both. You will get a lot of different opinions on this one. I have a lot of jumps on various sizes Cobalt’s and really like them. They are also very popular at our dropzone (which used to be really stiletto minded) and i am not aware of anyone having problems with the openings on our DZ (mainly positive comments actually). My opinion is that they open nice, have a longer recovery arc, longer toggle stroke, and more lift. Good luck with your decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird185 0 #13 November 1, 2004 Note: People who love Cobalts are usually the people who get the good ones. I was one of them. They fly like a dream. People who don't like them have probably flown a bad one. I am now one of them. That fucker slammed me seriously one day (broke a stering line), and the other openings (now that I have a great opening parachute as a reference) were very mediocre as I look back on it. However, I did have a premature on a very fast solo head down (~170mph) with my old cobalt that opened great. Bottom line: Both of these canopies have opening problems. Buy something that opens and flies great.If we trained monkeys to pack, would you jump their pack jobs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #14 November 1, 2004 I got the Comp Cobalt and it seem that every opening has been great. I had concerns with my Speed dives but, still, the opens at (sometimes) higer than normal openings, have been great._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 November 1, 2004 I'm glad you got a good one. Basically with Cobalts it comes down to quality control. Some of them open very badly, some open well, the designs are the same across the same model and size, although some open like trash and some don't. So the quality control seems to be lacking. I admit that every manufacture screws up, hell, there was a Velocity at my DZ that opened like trash, so instead of beating around the bush, PD asked for it back, it was test jumped and was determined that a new canopy should be built. So PD sent out a loaner Velo of the same size while they built a new canopy (he even got to repick the colors). That's quality customer service and it was refreshing to see a company step up to the plate and do the right thing, instead of blaming everything else and suggesting "band-aid fixes." So you either love the Cobalts or you hate the Cobalts, it comes down to personal experience, so demo everything you can get your hands on and make your own choice.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jskydiver22 0 #16 November 1, 2004 Hey, thank you all for your opinions and information. It has helped. I jumped my mom's Sabre2 120 twice today and i LOVED it!!! I know its not fully eliptical and i cant really compare it to a stiletto or cobalt but just thought i would share that with you all. I actually did really good on it, had a lot of fun! Makes me want to buy a 120 right now, but im not goin to. I talked to someone today with 1000+ jumps who is a huge fan of the stiletto and he thinks that i should wait until spring, then get one. Im going to put some jumps on the sabre2 120 to get prepared for it. --I don't even know enough to know that I dont know-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #17 November 1, 2004 Quote I jumped my mom's Sabre2 120 twice today Dude, you suck! I can't even talk my mom into letting me take her on a tandem! --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jskydiver22 0 #18 November 1, 2004 hahaha! yeah i guess i am pretty lucky. Most people my age are sayin, mom can i borrow the car, i say "Mom can i borrow the 120" Now lets see, next is hitting my stepdad up for his vengence, lol. --I don't even know enough to know that I dont know-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #19 November 1, 2004 I personally own 3 cobalts in the 105 & 120 sizes - you will find as reported there are 2 different kinds of cobalts the good opening ones and the bad. I have seen this and even seen the customer support to there dealers (who quit being a dealer because the customer support sucked). With that being said I love my cobalts and all of mine open and fly great. I would suggest demoing both canopies and then making yur own decision - these forums can be informative in a certain aspect but you must wade thru the bullshit to get there. I personnally would jump/buy either canopy and not be dissatisfied - don't limit your choices to just 2 if you are ready to go higher performance there is the Crossfire 2, Vision, nitro, nitron, and the list goes on. Demo everything you can get your hands on (next spring) The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #20 November 1, 2004 I have jumped both. I owned a cobalt for over 500 jumps, and i have put another 30-40 jumps on stilleto's of comparable sizes. My cobalt was a good opening one so i loved it. The cobalt will stay in a dive longer than a stilleto.(longer recovery arc) The cobalt has more bottom end lift than a stilleto.(more powerful flare) The stilleto feels quicker with toggles. The stilleto has a flatter glide. I say jump both. I jump a crossfire II now and i love it. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another cobalt in the future though. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #21 November 1, 2004 Quote If the Cobalt didn't have that "Two Stage" opening, it would be fine I agree hence the Viper! Same platform but with more conventinal X-ports. Best bottom-end of all non X-braced 9 cells IMO and great openings regardless the size.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #22 November 2, 2004 Quote Oh yeah, if you jump a Cobalt you will have to get a smaller pilot chute and dump in a track in order to get that "two stage" opening, that is Snivel, WHACK, shit that hurt. If you do a search on the Cobalt you will find all of the things you will need to do in order to get it to open nice. Kirk I totally disregarded the manufacturer's advice and logged about 40 jumps on Cobalt-150 (WL~1.5 with extra weights) with 30 inch (!) PC. Still opens soft. The only thing I don't like about the openings is "searching for the air" with its tendency to dive. Awesome canopy after it is completely opened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #23 November 2, 2004 From reading all the post on the Cobalt over the past couple of years, it seems as though Atair has some quality issues. It seems that some open and fly great while others open really hard and have to modify things in order to get them to open OK. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #24 November 2, 2004 Quote It seems that some open and fly great while others open really hard and have to modify things in order to get them to open OK. Kind of. The only modification that i have ever heard of to fix a hard opening one was an H-mod. All the other stuff doesn't matter, they either open hard or soft, period. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #25 November 2, 2004 I skipped the H-mod and went straight for the COMP Cobalt and I'm very glad. Quote Quote It seems that some open and fly great while others open really hard and have to modify things in order to get them to open OK. Kind of. The only modification that i have ever heard of to fix a hard opening one was an H-mod. All the other stuff doesn't matter, they either open hard or soft, period._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
