cpoxon 0 #51 February 13, 2005 QuoteJonathan Tagle of the PD Factory team just broke the current distance record, right on Shannon's heals. And Bruno Brokken too judging by the pictures, which shouldn't be overlooked!Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #52 February 14, 2005 i talked to shannon last night. he said he was loaded at 1.5 also.tagle only beat shannon by like a foot. unless i heard shannon wrong.also shannon STRONGLY urged anywone to not load the velocity that high. he told me HE almost died. there has been a couple instances where the rear risers liped out of his hands, "im assuming this because at 2.5 the rear riser pressure is probably INTENSE." he urged me not to load it like that, but if i insisted in loading it at 2.5 then at l;east install blocks on your rear risers so you have less chance of it slipping out of your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #53 February 14, 2005 Congrats, PD, Team, and JT. Now that we knocked that out, does that mean we can get back to perfecting the Katana 135?Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #54 February 14, 2005 Mark, you really, really need to proofread your posts before hitting "send". Tagle was loaded at 2.5, not 1.5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #55 February 14, 2005 What do you see as the ramifications of this? I mean if both Shannon and Tagle were loading way up again (and supposedly JC and others too) and posting these huge distances, do you think this will reverse the upsize trend? I can't wait to see video. All I can think is that they must be using a different style of approach/turn that is conducive to the high loadings. Is this the future, or just an anomoly? Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #56 February 14, 2005 QuoteWhat do you see as the ramifications of this? I mean if both Shannon and Tagle were loading way up again (and supposedly JC and others too) and posting these huge distances, do you think this will reverse the upsize trend? I can't wait to see video. All I can think is that they must be using a different style of approach/turn that is conducive to the high loadings. Is this the future, or just an anomoly? i think the upsize trend will stay, but loading up the canopies more will possibly come from this. and if the loading of the canopies is giving them this distance, you still don't want these higher wing loadings for freestyle, carving, or accuracy. so if this is a trend that is going to start, it's going to be people buying weight belts and vests. just my opinion though. edit: and us fat kids will have the advantage now, we don't have to buy as much lead later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #57 February 14, 2005 Didn't they just change the rules reguarding how much of a downwind component is allowed? Not trying to take anything away from Jonathan and Shannon's accomplishments, just something else to be taken into consideration before everyone starts buying leadVSE on Facebook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #58 February 14, 2005 Good point Kelly, but freestyle is its own beast, and not likely to ever be in an IPC WC. So that leaves speed, distance, and accuracy. If people find (for sake of discussion) that 2.5 is optimum for both speed and distance, I wonder if they would also fly that loading for accuracy runs for the sake of consistency? As far as weighting up goes, you might be right. If that becomes the trend though I think we will see more injuries of the sprain and minor fracture variety. Our bones and joints are designed to handle our natural body weight, not our natural weight plus 50 pounds of foreign mass. I wonder what's safer - jumping a 79 or jumping a 96 with 40 pounds of lead on? (I realize that's an extremely subjective question) Hmmm, the future will be interesting... Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #59 February 14, 2005 QuoteI wonder what's safer - jumping a 79 or jumping a 96 with 40 pounds of lead on? (I realize that's an extremely subjective question) How about a 120 with an ape sized person with a beer gut?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #60 February 14, 2005 QuoteDidn't they just change the rules reguarding how much of a downwind component is allowed? Not trying to take anything away from Jonathan and Shannon's accomplishments, just something else to be taken into consideration before everyone starts buying lead how much downwind was it?? i thought before if it was more than 5 mph then it wasn't a record, right. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swoopster33 0 #61 February 14, 2005 I beleive the new rules are for the run to be official the winds must be 15 mph or less. I was told that the wind conditions at the time were about 10 to 11 mph downwind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #62 February 14, 2005 QuoteHey Kolla He said it has to do with the slingshot power aroundthe corner that was doing it, but who knows. Hey johnny, do you know any more about this 'slingshot' thing?Slip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #63 February 15, 2005 First off, I have 1000 jumps and am in no way offering instruction online or pretending to know how to swoop 480 feet. Now, Talking with sonic who is a professor in the "fat is fast" school of swooping, he talks about the slingshot power of getting on rears and helping the canopy around the corner (just a bit) and keeping that inertia through most of the swoop. I have felt it myself now and again when I get one just right. I dont know if its the most efficient way to swoop, but I definetly feel the power of getting it just right. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #64 February 15, 2005 QuoteMark, you really, really need to proofread your posts before hitting "send". Tagle was loaded at 2.5, not 1.5. Uhhh, ya! oops!.. why dont you edit that for me chuckie! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites superstu 0 #65 February 15, 2005 innnnterestingSlip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #66 February 15, 2005 the slingshot effect is because you ARE in the corner and have to dig out. go too far and you hit the ground, or you stall the canopy on rears, or you go straight to toggles because you took it TOO low. it is a fine line. but sometimes you can get good results from it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kolla 0 #67 February 15, 2005 Yeah, thats pretty much what we were waitning for. Now that is out of the way, we can get back on the larger Katana's Blue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LoudDan 0 #68 February 15, 2005 Yeah......................that larger 135 would be FANTASTIC!!! Pleaze oh Pleaze oh Pleaze!!!!! I'm dyin' over here. Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #69 February 15, 2005 QuoteWhat do you see as the ramifications of this? I mean if both Shannon and Tagle were loading way up again (and supposedly JC and others too) and posting these huge distances, do you think this will reverse the upsize trend? No, I do not think there will be any reversing of the upsizing trent. Jonathan would not have went nearly as far under a 75 at the same 2.5 wingload. The larger wing will always give you more usable lift. Will other top-10 pilots follow suit and try to work out this same heavy-wingload distance technique? Sure, but you won't see everyone doing it; certainly not me. I am never going to win a meet and won't fool myself into thinking that jumping that wingload enough to get proficient at it is going to do anything other than wear out my 41 year-old, 155 pound body. I think I will stick with my 2.05 wingload (for distance, freestyle, and accuracy) and just be satisfied making the gates every run. On that note, I was positively fascinated at how many competitors posted clean, scoring runs in the preliminary rounds. All the way down to 20th place before the first vertical extension! I have not seen one meet in five years as a pro with so great a clean-scoring average. That is testament to the increasing degree of competence displayed by all at the competitive level. Prior to this meet one could almost guarantee that at least one person finishing in the top ten had blown the gates once in the meet. Still, it is a testament to the incredible ability of Andy Farrington (11th), Luigi Cani (13th), and Ian Bobo (14th) that they all pulled off top-20 finishes after verticals. Our boy Eames got 20th with two verticals! Performances like those define the phrase "go fast and take chances!" Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SweMartin 0 #70 February 15, 2005 Quote I have serious doubts about the 2.5 quote. 2.05 is the "standard" factory team wingload for distance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that would make sense, or on the key pad the 2 is right under the 5, so maybe 2.2?? 2.5 would be a lot for a velocity, they don't seam to handle the weight like a vx does (in my opinion). Some on site info (for a change)... -YES, the PD guys WERE loading 2.5(+), carrying ridiculous loads of lead. Their lines were literally screaming. They actually seemed to be accelerating all the way down to the gates, even while in the very end of the recovery arc, -amazing! Every coin has two sides though, and hearing Shannon NOT encourage people to follow their example makes perfect sence. They were taking HARD hits and punches in the landings, limping away with one more sore ancle and a few more bruises... -It obviously hurts getting to the top! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #71 February 15, 2005 Quotehe talks about the slingshot power of getting on rears and helping the canopy around the corner (just a bit) and keeping that inertia through most of the swoop. Didn't Shannon credit his record to something similar? I could swear I read that in an old Parachitist or maybe even here. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Swooopa-x 0 #72 February 15, 2005 Hi everyone, first off congratulations to JT and all the PD guys and from the sounds of things to all the competitors in general. Absoutely awesome!!! Does anybody know if and where some footage of the meet can be seen or gotten hold of ... it must be fantastic!!!????People dont care how much you know until they know how much you care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kolla 0 #73 February 15, 2005 We plan to get some footage on the PD Website later on this week - www.performancedesigns.com KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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superstu 0 #65 February 15, 2005 innnnterestingSlip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #66 February 15, 2005 the slingshot effect is because you ARE in the corner and have to dig out. go too far and you hit the ground, or you stall the canopy on rears, or you go straight to toggles because you took it TOO low. it is a fine line. but sometimes you can get good results from it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #67 February 15, 2005 Yeah, thats pretty much what we were waitning for. Now that is out of the way, we can get back on the larger Katana's Blue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoudDan 0 #68 February 15, 2005 Yeah......................that larger 135 would be FANTASTIC!!! Pleaze oh Pleaze oh Pleaze!!!!! I'm dyin' over here. Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #69 February 15, 2005 QuoteWhat do you see as the ramifications of this? I mean if both Shannon and Tagle were loading way up again (and supposedly JC and others too) and posting these huge distances, do you think this will reverse the upsize trend? No, I do not think there will be any reversing of the upsizing trent. Jonathan would not have went nearly as far under a 75 at the same 2.5 wingload. The larger wing will always give you more usable lift. Will other top-10 pilots follow suit and try to work out this same heavy-wingload distance technique? Sure, but you won't see everyone doing it; certainly not me. I am never going to win a meet and won't fool myself into thinking that jumping that wingload enough to get proficient at it is going to do anything other than wear out my 41 year-old, 155 pound body. I think I will stick with my 2.05 wingload (for distance, freestyle, and accuracy) and just be satisfied making the gates every run. On that note, I was positively fascinated at how many competitors posted clean, scoring runs in the preliminary rounds. All the way down to 20th place before the first vertical extension! I have not seen one meet in five years as a pro with so great a clean-scoring average. That is testament to the increasing degree of competence displayed by all at the competitive level. Prior to this meet one could almost guarantee that at least one person finishing in the top ten had blown the gates once in the meet. Still, it is a testament to the incredible ability of Andy Farrington (11th), Luigi Cani (13th), and Ian Bobo (14th) that they all pulled off top-20 finishes after verticals. Our boy Eames got 20th with two verticals! Performances like those define the phrase "go fast and take chances!" Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweMartin 0 #70 February 15, 2005 Quote I have serious doubts about the 2.5 quote. 2.05 is the "standard" factory team wingload for distance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that would make sense, or on the key pad the 2 is right under the 5, so maybe 2.2?? 2.5 would be a lot for a velocity, they don't seam to handle the weight like a vx does (in my opinion). Some on site info (for a change)... -YES, the PD guys WERE loading 2.5(+), carrying ridiculous loads of lead. Their lines were literally screaming. They actually seemed to be accelerating all the way down to the gates, even while in the very end of the recovery arc, -amazing! Every coin has two sides though, and hearing Shannon NOT encourage people to follow their example makes perfect sence. They were taking HARD hits and punches in the landings, limping away with one more sore ancle and a few more bruises... -It obviously hurts getting to the top! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #71 February 15, 2005 Quotehe talks about the slingshot power of getting on rears and helping the canopy around the corner (just a bit) and keeping that inertia through most of the swoop. Didn't Shannon credit his record to something similar? I could swear I read that in an old Parachitist or maybe even here. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swooopa-x 0 #72 February 15, 2005 Hi everyone, first off congratulations to JT and all the PD guys and from the sounds of things to all the competitors in general. Absoutely awesome!!! Does anybody know if and where some footage of the meet can be seen or gotten hold of ... it must be fantastic!!!????People dont care how much you know until they know how much you care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #73 February 15, 2005 We plan to get some footage on the PD Website later on this week - www.performancedesigns.com KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
