tetra316 0 #1 June 23, 2005 I'm looking at getting a 120 or similar size and was thinking of a crossfire 2 as a great platform for learning to swoop also. What other canopys are similar to a crossfire or would you recommend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #2 June 23, 2005 i've already told you my thoughts teraSlip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #3 June 23, 2005 Yeah...an Impulse 120 would be great for you!!!...They are very similar to cobalts, which are somewhat similar to crossfires! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tetra316 0 #4 June 23, 2005 Yeah, yeah I know what you both think, that's why I asked here and not you guys. More opinions, more info- maybe. Kim - your 120 sounds really good, for the right price of course Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #5 June 23, 2005 Stiletto is still my favorite. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garywainwright 0 #6 June 23, 2005 Whats wrong with learning to swoop your Sabre2 135?http://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #7 June 23, 2005 I understand Chris Lynch began swooping on a PD170 many years ago. You'll find him in the top 20 from the last world meet. Gary Wainwright is also on the circuit and ranked - maybe he has a good question? I've been learning to swoop on my Pilot 150 (1.35 lbs/sq ft). Hurt myself once (sprained ankles) - but fortunately that was it. Could have been a lot worse at a higher wing loading I'm sure, and my experience was scary enough thank you. -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sabre1Lucke 0 #8 June 23, 2005 I've been learning to swoop on my Sabre 150 (1.32lbs/sq ft). Now I'm using a Sabre 135 (1.46lbs/sq ft). You can already make nice swoops with this canopy. For me and for my experience this is a perfect choice before I buy another canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #9 June 23, 2005 Quote What other canopys are similar to a crossfire or would you recommend? Your Sabre2 for learning to swoop, definitely. Great canopy that can be swooped far and has a huge range. Once you've got that down, post another question here letting us know how/what you're doing on that and the next step can be recommended. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #10 June 23, 2005 If you're looking for a canopy to learn to swoop, then stick with the canopy you are currently jumping since you know it best. A Sabre2 135 is a wonderful canopy for learning to swoop on - it can be flown as aggressively as you want. Changing canopies at this point will only hurt your progression since you'll need to learn the basics of the new canopy before progressing on to swooping. My advice - stick with what you've got, get some good canopy coaching and then re-evaluate your canopy and needs in a few hundred jumps. Good luck! Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #11 June 23, 2005 I first started swooping large Sabre2s (190 & 170) before I moved down to a couple of Crossfire2s (139 & 119) before I moved onto my Velocitys (111 & 103). A Sabre2 is a great canopy to learn on. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repeter 0 #12 June 23, 2005 i agree.. i love my sabre2 135.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tetra316 0 #13 June 23, 2005 I love my sabre 2 and totally agree. Although my wingloading right now is 1.1. I don't think to down size to a 120 at this point with 700 jumps(400 on my 135) is too drastic a move Just looking for a little more speed when it's windy, which is usually always the case here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tetra316 0 #14 June 23, 2005 Quote Stiletto is still my favorite. I was wondering about that. I've heard some say its hard to transition after learning on a stiletto due to the short recovery arc..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #15 June 23, 2005 if your really interested in swooping i would stay away from the stilletto.. i would stick with a sabre2 ANY day before i went to a stilletto...a sabre2 at the same loading as a stilletto, should be a better canopy for learning. and im willing to bet if they are flown the same it will swoop better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #16 June 23, 2005 How about the Sabre 2 135 you're jumping now? You're more familiar with it, learning will be easier at low speeds, and it may suck less when you screw up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #17 June 23, 2005 if your wanting to downsize. get yourself a sabre 2 120 demo, im willing to bet you will like it. plus you wont have to learn a new wing. just a new size. just because your a 1.0-1 doesnt really mean jack once your starting to get down to smaller wings. if it did then i would take 90 lbs aff students on 120's. that would be less than a 1.0-1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #18 June 23, 2005 I'd say stick to the Sabre2 After about 600 jumps on a Sabre2 150 I wanted something faster as well, and in the end what I got was a Sabre2 135 The Sabre2 is a mean swooping machine when flown right, granted I am loading mine a lot heavier than yours.. still.. the Sabre2 is the ticket when it comes to learning how to swoop (in my humble opinion.... ) Be safe! Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #19 June 23, 2005 Quote I was wondering about that. I've heard some say its hard to transition after learning on a stiletto due to the short recovery arc..... Tell that to just about every single pro competitor on the PST. Almost everyone who is into flying fast canopies has at one point or another been a Stiletto pilot... Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #20 June 23, 2005 Canuck, I had a heatwave (ST clone) for a number of jumps, but I'd still recommend the Sabre2 over a ST anyday. I think it has more characteristics that are common with todays 'harcore' swooping canopies than the ST. The ST is a good wing, and if it's all you've got it's fine, but if you have an alternative like the Sabre2 - I'd take that. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #21 June 23, 2005 and almost every one of them would say the sabre2 over the stilletto also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #22 June 23, 2005 Yup, I agree with both of ya. But that doesn't take away from the point that a person can learn the art of the swoop under a Stiletto. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #23 June 23, 2005 f-ing awesome canopy to learn to swoop on... I will tell you this...I started swooping on a sabre 2 170... and when I got to the point where I could shut the thing down when I wanted to...then I contemplated downsizing and trying the elliptical platform...what I found was...I liked the crossfire2 awesome canopy...loved it, but not wanting to push it, I stayed with the sabre2 and lost 20 sq feet. but learn the sabre2 135 first... believe me if I can swoop the balls out of a 170, you should be able to swoop the balls out of a sabre2 135... Cheers blues and lets keep our insides where they belong... Skyjunky Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoudDan 0 #24 June 23, 2005 I started learning to swoop under a Sabre 2 190 somewhere around 700 jumps later, I now have a Sabre 2 135 (somewhere around a 1.8 WL) at any rate, I am a firm believer in "The pilot makes the canopy perform not the canopy makes the pilot perform". Your learning progression will accelerate by sticking to the same wing, sure when you downsize it's a little twitchier and faster, but you will be familiar with the flight characteristics. 135's like the pond too Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #25 June 23, 2005 in that pic, the edge of the pond looks like out west or somthin..... get some grass growin man! nice pic dan.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
