dharma1976 0 #1 July 6, 2005 Heres one for the nubes and myself as well so that everyone here doesnt flame me for only having 430 jumps or so... an important lesson in humilty...when not to swoop... when one feels rushed when there is too much traffic when there is an erradic canopy pilot taking up the entire landing area below us any more input guys... I would like a reminder on this, and I am sure there are more that need this lesson than will admit, so I will ask the question... Cheers Skyjunky Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #2 July 6, 2005 When everything doesn't feel just right. When there are no outs. When we haven't checked for traffic. There are more I'm sure, but that's what I got for now Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #3 July 6, 2005 trust your instinct, and take the safe way out. ive had a few botched swoops at 700 ft where i was like ,,FUCK!.. ok i can still land straight in over here... dont put yourself in a situation you cant get out of, if you have to, lie cheat and steal. then blame it on somone else... ok the last part you can ignore.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #4 July 6, 2005 Quotean important lesson in humilty...when not to swoop... when you're doing it to impress somebody on the ground. when you're jumping an unfamiliar canopy. when you've chopped your main and you're thinking, "7 cells? no problem!" "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #5 July 6, 2005 QuoteQuotean important lesson in humilty...when not to swoop... when you're doing it to impress somebody on the ground. ohhhhh. so true... work to impress yourself, and trust me, if you get past the bullshit and know when and where, you will "impress yourself"... there isnt anyone you need to impress but yourself, so go at your pace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Peej 0 #6 July 6, 2005 Quotewhen you're doing it to impress somebody on the ground. The metal in my right fib/tib whole heartedly agrees with you. And after learning a hard lesson. so do i. These days I'm learning to swoop for the way it makes me feel, not for how it looks to those on the ground. Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #7 July 6, 2005 Quoteany more input guys... When you're angry When you're tired When you're sad When setting up the swoop, your state of mind is everything. One must be empty of everything and one with all. Mindfulness is the goal. Pulling on risers and looking around is unskilled labour. The swoop is concieved in your minds eye, and develops in the setup. The gates are simply the moment of birth, the distance and time the life, and touchdown is death until it is once again reincarnated in your mind in an effort to purge the errors of it's earlier lives. Thousands and thousands of lives will bring enlightenment, and with enlightenment, Nirvana. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyedivr 0 #8 July 6, 2005 when you are landing out, in an unfamiliar landing area.my power is beyond your understanding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Peej 0 #9 July 6, 2005 That was beautiful. And yet so, so true. Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #10 July 6, 2005 QuoteThe swoop is concieved in your minds eye, and develops in the setup. The gates are simply the moment of birth, the distance and time the life, and touchdown is death until it is once again reincarnated in your mind in an effort to purge the errors of it's earlier lives. Thousands and thousands of lives will bring enlightenment, and with enlightenment, Nirvana. that is awesome Bro.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chachi 0 #11 July 6, 2005 don't swoop when your frustrated. if your trying new stuff and things aren't going well and you think one last good one i'll go hard is bad time. you dont need to prove anything... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #12 July 6, 2005 Quotewhen you've chopped your main and you're thinking, "7 cells? no problem!" I hook my reserve all the time....In fact one of my rigs even has dive loops on the reserve."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #13 July 6, 2005 QuoteI hook my reserve all the time....In fact one of my rigs even has dive loops on the reserve. wow! i think that you need to have your main inspected or you need to stop packing with your feet! "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #14 July 7, 2005 see I think you need to hook your reserve in order to get good flare ;) hehe SkyjunkyDavehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Widgeon 0 #15 July 8, 2005 Quotewhen not to swoop... When ANYTHING doesn't feel right... I hear so many people interested in this discipline refer to "canopy control"(or lack there of) as describing the ability to fly a parachute. That is simply an illusion. We might possess good or bad canopy piloting skills, but ultimately there is no control. We can control when our lines are changed, but we can't control when a steering line snaps on landing. We can do all the preventive maintenance to our equipment that is possible, but all it does is give us better odds. I had an AFF instructor that after opening would start looking around at his gear and start going through scenarios about "what if this broke, or what if the wind picked up and changed below 2000ft and I was already committed to a tight landing area, oblivious aircraft traffic, ect.". Kinda cryptic but I've heard of or seen alot of this shit before. How do we gauge our canopy skills? I think anyone could learn to flat turn or rear riser flare with practice and good instruction as long as these skills were introduced at an early time in one's skydiving career. I parallel canopy flight to a surfer or a skier or one of those bullriders, we just have a different media that requires different skills because of the inherently different danger that we are exposed to. In none of the other "sports" are the participants in complete "control" either. I just hope that everyone recognizes the risks they take and accept them. Swooping and high performance canopy flight should never be about anything other than your own enjoyment. Safe swoops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cloudi 0 #16 July 15, 2005 QuoteI hear so many people interested in this discipline refer to "canopy control"(or lack there of) as describing the ability to fly a parachute. That is simply an illusion. USE YOUR ILLUSION. 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Peej 0 #6 July 6, 2005 Quotewhen you're doing it to impress somebody on the ground. The metal in my right fib/tib whole heartedly agrees with you. And after learning a hard lesson. so do i. These days I'm learning to swoop for the way it makes me feel, not for how it looks to those on the ground. Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #7 July 6, 2005 Quoteany more input guys... When you're angry When you're tired When you're sad When setting up the swoop, your state of mind is everything. One must be empty of everything and one with all. Mindfulness is the goal. Pulling on risers and looking around is unskilled labour. The swoop is concieved in your minds eye, and develops in the setup. The gates are simply the moment of birth, the distance and time the life, and touchdown is death until it is once again reincarnated in your mind in an effort to purge the errors of it's earlier lives. Thousands and thousands of lives will bring enlightenment, and with enlightenment, Nirvana. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyedivr 0 #8 July 6, 2005 when you are landing out, in an unfamiliar landing area.my power is beyond your understanding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #9 July 6, 2005 That was beautiful. And yet so, so true. Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #10 July 6, 2005 QuoteThe swoop is concieved in your minds eye, and develops in the setup. The gates are simply the moment of birth, the distance and time the life, and touchdown is death until it is once again reincarnated in your mind in an effort to purge the errors of it's earlier lives. Thousands and thousands of lives will bring enlightenment, and with enlightenment, Nirvana. that is awesome Bro.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #11 July 6, 2005 don't swoop when your frustrated. if your trying new stuff and things aren't going well and you think one last good one i'll go hard is bad time. you dont need to prove anything... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #12 July 6, 2005 Quotewhen you've chopped your main and you're thinking, "7 cells? no problem!" I hook my reserve all the time....In fact one of my rigs even has dive loops on the reserve."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #13 July 6, 2005 QuoteI hook my reserve all the time....In fact one of my rigs even has dive loops on the reserve. wow! i think that you need to have your main inspected or you need to stop packing with your feet! "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #14 July 7, 2005 see I think you need to hook your reserve in order to get good flare ;) hehe SkyjunkyDavehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Widgeon 0 #15 July 8, 2005 Quotewhen not to swoop... When ANYTHING doesn't feel right... I hear so many people interested in this discipline refer to "canopy control"(or lack there of) as describing the ability to fly a parachute. That is simply an illusion. We might possess good or bad canopy piloting skills, but ultimately there is no control. We can control when our lines are changed, but we can't control when a steering line snaps on landing. We can do all the preventive maintenance to our equipment that is possible, but all it does is give us better odds. I had an AFF instructor that after opening would start looking around at his gear and start going through scenarios about "what if this broke, or what if the wind picked up and changed below 2000ft and I was already committed to a tight landing area, oblivious aircraft traffic, ect.". Kinda cryptic but I've heard of or seen alot of this shit before. How do we gauge our canopy skills? I think anyone could learn to flat turn or rear riser flare with practice and good instruction as long as these skills were introduced at an early time in one's skydiving career. I parallel canopy flight to a surfer or a skier or one of those bullriders, we just have a different media that requires different skills because of the inherently different danger that we are exposed to. In none of the other "sports" are the participants in complete "control" either. I just hope that everyone recognizes the risks they take and accept them. Swooping and high performance canopy flight should never be about anything other than your own enjoyment. Safe swoops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cloudi 0 #16 July 15, 2005 QuoteI hear so many people interested in this discipline refer to "canopy control"(or lack there of) as describing the ability to fly a parachute. That is simply an illusion. USE YOUR ILLUSION. Kim Watch as I attempt, with no slight of hand, to apply logic and reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Cloudi 0 #16 July 15, 2005 QuoteI hear so many people interested in this discipline refer to "canopy control"(or lack there of) as describing the ability to fly a parachute. That is simply an illusion. USE YOUR ILLUSION. Kim Watch as I attempt, with no slight of hand, to apply logic and reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
